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Yoga and True Will

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    Alexander
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    I have a couple short questions that I need clarifying on:

    Is it possible to find your True Will/HGA using Yoga alone?
    Yoga and Magick result in union, so what are we to do once we have achieved this union?

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    Avshalom Binyamin
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    Depends on what you mean by yoga.

    If by yoga, you mean asana, or another subset of yoga practices, then I don't know.

    If by yoga, you mean "union", which means the literal and profound behavior underlying the entire universe... then I don't see how it can be done *without *yoga...

    And, in practical terms, asana, pranayama, dharana are all crucial to the goal.

    Have you read Crowley's "Eight Lectures on Yoga"?

    But... is there any particular reason to arbitrarily limit yourself? If it's to focus your energy on one important avenue for a time, then that's super. It's important to remember, though, that each path to HGA is individual.

    As far as what you do with it. You live it. You cherish it. You protect it from being profaned. You follow it wherever it takes you, and dedicate all your resources to it. You remember that it is yours alone.

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    I mean Yoga as in the all the aspects of Yoga (Raja, hatha, pranayama, etc.). What I am confused about is where the HGA/True Will lie in relation to Samadhi. Are you to attain union before you are able to find the HGA/True Will or after?

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    "So we need not be surprised if the Unity of Subject and Object in Consciousness which is Samadhi, the uniting of the Bride and the Lamb which is Heaven, the uniting of the Magus and the God which is Evocation, the uniting of the Man and his Holy Guardian Angel which is the seal upon the work of the Adeptus Minor, is symbolized by the geometrical unity of the circle and the square, the arithmetical unity of the 5 and the 6, and (for more universality of comprehension) the uniting of the Lingam and Yoni, the Cross and the Rose. For as in earth-life the sexual ecstasy is the loss of self in the Beloved, the creation of a third consciousness treanscending its parents, which is again reflected into matter as a child; so, immeasurably higher, upon the Plane of Spirit, Subject and Object join to disappear, leaving a transcendent unity. This third is ecstasy and death; as above, so below. "

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    Thank you for clarifying, that makes much more sense. So let me clarify, after the union of subject and object, there is the ecstasy of union and creation of a third consciousness? Am I wrong to say that a lot of Eastern Gurus get stuck in the ecstasy stage of union, so how are we supposed to move past the union?

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    @Alexander said

    "Thank you for clarifying, that makes much more sense. So let me clarify, after the union of subject and object, there is the ecstasy of union and creation of a third consciousness? Am I wrong to say that a lot of Eastern Gurus get stuck in the ecstasy stage of union, so how are we supposed to move past the union?"

    "A lot of Eastern Gurus" is unfortunately too vague to really answer, IMO. Do you know specific people who were caught in this stage, or have specific Eastern works that seem to promote that?

    After knowing the True will, one knows exactly what to do, and I'm sure the K&CHGA only further empowers them to do That.

    Also, don't mistake the K&CHGA for knowing the True Will; knowing the True Will often happens first, if I remember Jim's posts and understand Crowley's work correctly. (Not to put words in Jim's mouth.)

    Otherwise, how could one follow the True Will back to its Source if one doesn't know the True Will in the first place?

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