"The Vision of Adonai"
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interesting discourse...
if one sits and thinks about this at some great length, and considers that there are many occult references to various sexual "mysteries" or components of accomplishing the Great Work -- and, ahem, this great new interpretation of K&C -- the F&S of the HGA well...
for me and my experiences thus far, there certainly is the attainment of a wide variety of bliss states and others seeming to rival the wildest tales of tantra enlightenment -- contemplating the beauty of the Beloved in the present moment of love-making
and it is very easy to lose oneself in that experience and by means of psychological projection, think of the experience being unique to oneself and that particular person... acknowledging that there might very well be unique factors to one's relationship to that specific other -- combined astrological synastry that indicates chemistry of cosmic proportions and whatever else, giving rise to the perception that WOW THIS IS UNIQUE AND MINDBLOWING
but, my question is: who is having their mind blown? who is having the sensations ripple through the body? who is turned on to such a level that they have the unique and mindblowing perception that they are seeing god or that they are experiencing oneness with god? who is experiencing themselves beyond time? or whatever else?
to me, the state of enrapture ITSELF is a projection... and the miracle of the ecstatic state is not necessarily that object that we adore -- but the fact that the joy, the bliss, the ecstasy is really a self-intoxication -- that the feelings are purely and simply: self-arising, bio-chemical events manufactured by the body and mind of the perceiver. wow, talk about the ultimate masterbation! and, yet, there IS the perception (and real experience) of the unique ability of one person, or another person, to DO IT for us, so that others pale in comparison. all, again, a type of maya or illusion, in the moment.
therefore, contemplating my lover -- it's all a dance of the HGA.
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as far as auditory and other sensory perception goes, the latest ground-breaking work in neuro-psychology gives some real scientific explanations for how this may be occuring... and how, yes, human beings ARE capable of developing some amazing (what may be called) super-conscious traits -- but perhaps, as humans evolve, may one day in the future become more 'ordinary' human-mind capability (ahem, the evolution of the species, maybe?).
if i consider my body and all the correlate nerves ("wiring") and sense organs as a kind of potential RADIO device of sorts... (not that i know much about electronics or engineering so maybe this is a strange example) ... then, so 'tuned in' to the appropriate frequency or the 'receiver' refined enough to measure and interpret such subtle signals -- i might be able to LISTEN deep enough -- and HEAR such communication.
i think that what i'm saying may sound wierd if i don't give the example of some recent work i've been exploring in the field of somatic psychology -- and, in particular, the work of burt hellinger:
www.familyconstellationwork.com/Constellation.htm
"[After being placed in the "psychic field" individuals report that they] amazingly will feel the inner reality of the person or state they stand for. They will begin to experience feelings and thoughts, moods and even physical sensations of the person they represent. "
in neuro-psychology, this phenomenon is being explained scientifically by suggesting that certain parts of the brain (in particular, the LIMBIC system) may be responsible for the ability of the human to "read" (hear/interpret) VERY SUBTLE bio-electric wave-impulses -- accross physical distance.
in this very same sense, then, i totally imagine that K&C - F&S of the HGA, is a TOTALLY REAL event, TOTALLY PHYSICALLY EXPERIENCED AND PERCEIVED -- and totally an experience arising through the body and consciousness of the individual.
the fact that some describe this as a type of sexual experience -- or that sexual experience is part of the greater experience, wouldn't surprise me in the slightest. it does, however, leave me wondering... and perhaps a little bit turned on
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i was wondering, has anyone ever heard of the vision of adonai as being a frightful experience due to the intensity?? my what i believe was the vision of adonai was quite frightful in its intenseness, does this sound on or off with what others have either experienced and/or heard of other experiences with this??AGAPE
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Though anything is possible, this wouldn't be usual. I can't think of an instance offhand where this was the case, although there are plenty of cases where frightful experiences were nonetheless valuable. Frightful experiences can certainly be a lead-in - the onramp, so to speak - to this type of experience. But no, fear would not be characteristic of being in the presence of the Angel per se.
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the fear was of the intensity of the unexpected situation, not that it say was a frightful experience. the fear of the intenseness and how the supernatural was happening, and also at the time not understanding what was happening. at least thats my experience of what i believe was the vision of adonai.
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It's obvious that you had an authentic experience of some sort. It's also important to acknowledge the fear - because fear always distorts perceptions, twisting them into something else.
Also, remember that one instruction in the first section of Liber O which has been the mainstay of my entire magical and mystical career, and has saved the ass of countless aspirants over and over again: "It is desirable that the student should never attach to any result the importance which it at first seems to possess."
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yeah when the experienced happened i didnt think my HGA at all, though looking back mow dumb could i have been it showed me its name ADONAI. this happened in june, and i think it was about 2-3months ago i was goign back over my diary at the time and saw what i wrote and remembered it and at that time i made the connection.
i dont know if i wrote about it here. what happened was for the past few days i had been of course doing my rituals and mediatation daily but also working on a essay on the star ruby. it was like my 4th day working on, the 3days i worked on it at work, each day i spent more concentration on it rather than my work. by the 4th day, i hardly paid attention to work at all. even after i got home i couldnt stop working on it, i felt so high when i was working on it and in touch with something higher. then all of a sudden it got very very intense, the intensity was scary, and my work on the essay was like i was no longer writing but in a trance and recieving information. i then started seeing like a white light fly in front of me and to my left/east, it kept happening, at 1st i thought there may have been some logical explanation to it, but after like 10 times of it happening i decided to figure out what the light was. as i looked in the direction it went and waited to see it again, then a few seconds later i saw it on my bed. then again on my bed so i went to my bed, and then it was closer to the wall so i followed it there. i followed it till a was on my bed on all 4s with my face like 6-8inchs from the wall and i noticed i was staring at the word ADONAI wrote on my wall. see when i was about 11-12 and 1st looking in to witchcraft and at that time satanism i found a book at the library that said the word ADONAI was a name for satan. so in rebellion i wrote kinda small on my wall with a pen ADONAI. when my parents saw it they made me paint over it, and i never saw it there really again till then. see when your face is 6inchs from the wall you can still see the word through the paint easily. all the while this was happening it kept getting more and more and more intense, i was fearful that the intensity would do something bad to me, but i didnt know what. so i left the room in fear of this, i went and watched tv and ate, to calm it down, which it did do, but it didnt stop it. also that night i couldnt even sleep due to the intensity, i stayed awake till 1pm when i got up from laying awake to goto work. in my about 9years of working with magick and meditation with thelema, nothing has ever been any where close to that amount of intensity. and also when you add in the leading me to ADONAI, looking back on it now i have no doubt that it was the vision of ADONAI, as i said it took me like 4months later to realise this.
what do you think of the situation???
AGAPE
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Bethata418, I have only limited experience with the sephirothic visions, so I may not know what I'm talking about here, but...
The visions should result in obtaining gnostic knowledge related to the particular sephiroth, rather than just produce a cool or freaky experience. Given the writing you had going on that precipitated this, you probably got knowledge out of it as well. Did what came out in your essay while in the trance or vision relate to Malkuth in any way?
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yes i felt like what i was writing during that time, i wasnt thinking it, it was given to me and it was happening quicker than i could write. the intensity feeling when i was writing lasted i think for about a hour before i started to see the lights. and also the information i was getting was about the ritual of star ruby, which is a pentagram ritual, but also much more. the pentagram could be seen as of hadit/HGA.
also i was basically told that the star ruby had 5different signs which are the 5NOX signs, which is completely true. but see i learned that ritual through duquettes book, and in his book it speaks of star ruby as having only 4 NOX signs, and this is how i always did it till after this experience. after this i acually asked a friend about it and they kinda laughted at my stupidity, since there are 5 signs! are duquette just completely put down only 4nox signs in his book, which the idea of me fucking up this ritual for years due to his book still upsets me.
but at the time the "vision" happen, what i believe was my HGA showed me there was this pattern of 5 that happened 5 times=25 for liber 25. but the only thing at this time that messed it up was duquette saying to not due mater triumphins, and even before that i knew there were 5 nox signs.AGAPE
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The Vision of Adonai:
http://www.imageswarm.com/thumb/1072.jpeg
cf. www.heruraha.net/viewtopic.php?p=1025#1025
With a tip o' the hat to Uri...
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I was going over the older posts when I came across JAE's comment from December 23:
<i>I find it interesting that the Malkuth phenomenon is called the Vision of Adonai - because for myself, and for every other case for which I've personally known of and for which I have a clear record and enough details, the phenomenon is predominantly auditory. I'm certain, though, that it doesn't matter - some people are more visual, some more auditory, some more kinesthetic, etc. - I would (theoretically) expect the phenomenon to emerge through whichever sense channel is predominant in the individual, and using cues from the distinctive wiring of their minds and nervous systems - I'm just reporting that, in cases actually known to me, the phenomenon was decisively auditory, with occasional "visual support" and occasional kinesthetic cues.</i>
I am not predominantly visual - I'd even say I was a bit dysfunctional in this area. But my own experiences of the sephirothic visions were all visual. For example, while waiting to go through the TOT's Malkuth degree, I found my attention drawn to a notice on the wall of the room where I'd been seated, advising that occupancy of the building by more than X-number of persons was unlawful. As I sat, it seemed as if the notice and/or the wall around it was a window to an unlimited vista. I didn't hear angelic voices, see violet lighting effects or any more than that. In fact, while my conscious mind presented it as an image, it was, maybe, just as much a conceptualisation: that Adonai is endless.
I had other imagery in the next two degrees, but nothing auditory.
My sense is that these "visions" are images the mind generates to present the conceptual reality of a given sephirah. I also wonder if I got images specifically because I am not visually oriented, and so what I do see is all the more memorable for me as a result.
I also think, looking back on the Yesod degree, that I had several 'visions' of the Machinery of the Universe. One or two were specific images, one or two were intellectual realisations or recognitions, so that collectively, I got the Machinery's 'blueprint'. But they all had some visual components, and no auditory ones.
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Y'know, I'm really glad I was clear that I was speculating in the phrase phrase "I would (theoretically) expect the phenomenon to emerge through whichever sense channel is predominant in the individual." I think you're right that - at least sometimes - it might be exactly the opposite. Usinga less-relied-upon sensory resources is a common tatcit of the mind when it's normal (more habitual) resources fail it in the moment. (Cf. Jung's "inferior function.")
I don't really know if there is a neurological or psychological rule to the matter, except that I'd stick pretty solidly with "using cues from the distinctive wiring of their minds and nervous systems."
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Thanks everyone for your contribution... it cleared a lot of things for me
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I underwent an experience during my hiatus from college that I, after reading Jim's book 'The Mystical & Magical System of AA', began to associate with the Vision of Adonai Ha-Aretz. Mine, though, was intensely visual as it occured in a dream.
After a psilocybin experience, during my first attempt at college, in which I was sort of instructed in asana & pranayama(my body did the practices autonomically[I posted this experience in the "Oddest dream in a long time..." thread in 'General Discussion']) I decided I should put some study & practice into Yoga. Well, all I found in my local bookstore was a book called Chakra Therapy. I bought the book. It just sat around for a few months but I soon picked it up & began working with simple asana & pranayama.
A week or so after I began the practices my 'Vision' occured.
As I said, it was in a dream. I was faced with 3 'gods' with names that, at the time, I had never heard. They were positioned in a triangle formation. Their names were written in red arches over their heads. They read Hore(this is how it was spelled), Horus, & Heresy.
If the triangle is imagined as the Supernal Triad then Hore would be at Binah, Horus at Kether & Heresy at Chokmah(in the dream they were all identified as 3 parts of the same 'God' - but in a later meditation, Hore was identified as Babalon & Heresy as Hadit - though this may be an imposition of Ruach. As you can see, I still do not fully understand the attributions)
The dream, I remember, felt as real as waking consciousness, but I was not fearful.
I was made to pass between Hore & Heresy. This act, as I executed it, seemed to have the most profound significance(I didn't know to then, but I now approximate this with the Pillars of Jachim & Boaz). As I approached Horus I was stopped in the center of the triangle & I awoke.
For the next 3 days or so I had absolutely no asthma symptoms - usually something of a daily plague for me. My face shone with light. I was ecstatic!
After the third day I returned to the bookstore, & to my surprise, there was a book that seemed to almost vibrate with energy. I picked it up & saw that it was a book on the Templars - another term I was unfamiliar with at the time.
Within the book's pages I found a reference to Horus - I nearly jumped out of my skin! Well, this book was mentioning Horus in relation to Crowley, so I went out & purchased a copy of Liber L & read it while walking the streets of Memphis...the rest is history.93 93/93
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@KRVB MMShCh said
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I underwent an experience during my hiatus from college that I, after reading Jim's book 'The Mystical & Magical System of AA', began to associate with the Vision of Adonai Ha-Aretz. Mine, though, was intensely visual as it occured in a dream.
After a psilocybin experience, during my first attempt at college, in which I was sort of instructed in asana & pranayama(my body did the practices autonomically[I posted this experience in the "Oddest dream in a long time..." thread in 'General Discussion']) I decided I should put some study & practice into Yoga. Well, all I found in my local bookstore was a book called Chakra Therapy. I bought the book. It just sat around for a few months but I soon picked it up & began working with simple asana & pranayama.
A week or so after I began the practices my 'Vision' occured.
As I said, it was in a dream. I was faced with 3 'gods' with names that, at the time, I had never heard. They were positioned in a triangle formation. Their names were written in red arches over their heads. They read Hore(this is how it was spelled), Horus, & Heresy.
If the triangle is imagined as the Supernal Triad then Hore would be at Binah, Horus at Kether & Heresy at Chokmah(in the dream they were all identified as 3 parts of the same 'God' - but in a later meditation, Hore was identified as Babalon & Heresy as Hadit - though this may be an imposition of Ruach. As you can see, I still do not fully understand the attributions)
The dream, I remember, felt as real as waking consciousness, but I was not fearful.
I was made to pass between Hore & Heresy. This act, as I executed it, seemed to have the most profound significance(I didn't know to then, but I now approximate this with the Pillars of Jachim & Boaz). As I approached Horus I was stopped in the center of the triangle & I awoke.
For the next 3 days or so I had absolutely no asthma symptoms - usually something of a daily plague for me. My face shone with light. I was ecstatic!
After the third day I returned to the bookstore, & to my surprise, there was a book that seemed to almost vibrate with energy. I picked it up & saw that it was a book on the Templars - another term I was unfamiliar with at the time.
Within the book's pages I found a reference to Horus - I nearly jumped out of my skin! Well, this book was mentioning Horus in relation to Crowley, so I went out & purchased a copy of Liber L & read it while walking the streets of Memphis...the rest is history.93 93/93
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93 KRVB!
I read & commented on your post about the Serpent People...it is interesting how following their(the Serpent People) cue led you to an experience of this magnitude...are you aware of all of the similarities between this & certain initiation rituals? By oath I am not permitted to disclose the specifics but - wow!
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"...are you aware of all of the similarities between this & certain initiation rituals? By oath I am not permitted to disclose the specifics but - wow!
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I have yet to take my Minerval, but it is schedualed for later this month...I have notived some similarities between my Vision & the 0=0 ritual of Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn...
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@RifRaf said
"I didn't want to start an entirely new thread for this question so I bumped this.
In Crowley's "Confessions" he talks about a conversation he had with Allan Bennett. Crowley happened to mention that he had heard that there was a particular method of vibrating the name of "Adonai Ha-Aretz" which summoned the Holy Guardian Angel, in turn "helping" an aspirant achieve "The Vision of Adonai" at the early stages (Malkuth). Although it seems very odd to me I would still like to know if Crowley ever published anything that spoke about this (so far I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else), and if he actually ever went about attempting it.
P.S. I don't have Confessions on me so I will have to look later if reference is needed."
"Other practices were the "assumption of God-forms"; by concentrated imagination of oneself in the symbolic shape of any God, one should be able to identify oneself with the idea which He represents. There there was meditation on simple symbols with the idea of penetrating to their secret meaning. I was also to keep up my practices of astral visions and "rising on the planes", in particular the special official method of invoking Adonai-ha-Aretz. I was also to continue the work Eckenstein had taught me, on his lines"
-Chapter 26???
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