Joining the A.'.A.'.
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93 Jim,
I feel this whole thread has the feeling of attacking you and your lineage and I have no desire to do so contrary to the one who insists they are the head of the A.'.A.'. That is not me at all! I was simply trying to give voice to the general thought patterns of those of us who find explaination for ourself and our differences in thought and feel inclined to accept the title of "Indigo child or adult". I'm saddened that the A.'.A.'. doesn't have an official take on (perhaps this should be a whole new thread) on Indigos since it's not just a new age (which I abhor the term btw as I relate it to to all the hippy dippyness of it's golden age- approx. late 90's as well as the heartbreak we all felt at the failure of making that "rainbow bridge" at the gatherings around 97-98, and then all the cheesy scams like JC Knight's Ramtha channeling etc.) but it's not that new of a concept since I first found it in Arthur C. Clarke's book "Childhood's End" which was written in the 50's, 1956 I believe. (Yes I acknowledge it's fiction but the concept is not new...)I, like I said, have felt a destiny with what is called the A.'.A.'. since reading RAW who also mentions the OTO and this intuition was proven correct after some minor inquiries amongst friends when I was introduced to a fellow by the name of Bill Heidrick during said friend's band practice who gave me the phone number to inquire about attending Mass at Thelema lodge back in 2001. The truth rings like a bell- meaning it has a resonance which we can feel! That's what I mean by "we will trust No One save ourself". There is no doubt in my mind that the A.'.A.'. has something to offer me and vice versa. I feel it is intrinsic to the very nature of our work yet there is this barrier of politics, drama and egoism and much other irrelevant turmoil that must be overcome immediantly in order for the newer generations to communicate with the elder. For an example there is an onslaught of medical examiners quick to diagnose babies with autism when they are far from autistic, they are in fact telepathic!
Onward to the breach dear friends, onwards!
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I only claim to be the head of AN A.'.A.'. not "the A.'.A.'." which is more like a platonic ideal.
The inner or 3rd order is described in the cloud upon the sanctuary quite well.
He states that all churches are external expressions ore the one TRUE inner church, and thus their differences in dogma are superficial. That the TRUTH of the inner church is expressed via an inner sensory organ, and the external church creates rituals lessons, dogma and such that try to express that inner TRUTH in a form sensible to the external sensory organs. In receptive individuals secret interpretation and mysteries help that person to develop his inner sensory organ.
Thus the A.'.A.'. refers to one such order that unites the external lower grades with the internal higher grades, but it also refers to that inner order itself.
My claim is that any external order that originates from that INNER TRUTH is rightfully called the A.'.A.'., when its express purpose in not the mere administration of external rites, but the training of adepts to open that inner sense to the TRUTH behind the external appearance.
Thus my A.'. A.'. in externally different from sone other A.'.A.'. just as every local A.'.A.'. is different, but they all derive from the same source, the inner Truth, The Word of the Aeon.
That is the plan anyway, but I openly admit that I have not yet formulated my A.'.A.'. let alone established its Unity with the Word.
Establishing the outer shell is my task as a magister, infusing the WORD is the task of a Magus.
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@Froclown said
"I only claim to be the head of AN A.'.A.'. not "the A.'.A.'." which is more like a platonic ideal.
The inner or 3rd order is described in the cloud upon the sanctuary quite well.
He states that all churches are external expressions ore the one TRUE inner church, and thus their differences in dogma are superficial. That the TRUTH of the inner church is expressed via an inner sensory organ, and the external church creates rituals lessons, dogma and such that try to express that inner TRUTH in a form sensible to the external sensory organs. In receptive individuals secret interpretation and mysteries help that person to develop his inner sensory organ.
Thus the A.'.A.'. refers to one such order that unites the external lower grades with the internal higher grades, but it also refers to that inner order itself.
My claim is that any external order that originates from that INNER TRUTH is rightfully called the A.'.A.'., when its express purpose in not the mere administration of external rites, but the training of adepts to open that inner sense to the TRUTH behind the external appearance.
Thus my A.'. A.'. in externally different from sone other A.'.A.'. just as every local A.'.A.'. is different, but they all derive from the same source, the inner Truth, The Word of the Aeon.
That is the plan anyway, but I openly admit that I have not yet formulated my A.'.A.'. let alone established its Unity with the Word.
Establishing the outer shell is my task as a magister, infusing the WORD is the task of a Magus."
Dude, this post is kind of scaring me.
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Buddhists don't need permission or lineage to start Buddhist temples, and Shinto priests can build shrines anywhere they like.
So long as the shrine houses one or more "Kami" (Gods or spirits) and people come to give prayers and offerings, the temple is considered sacred.
The same with the Greek pagan temples.Well I am building a temple for Horus, and the Kami of thelema, A shrine to the spirit or current of Thelema. Nat a mere external temple such as the OTO, but a temple that contains the inner sanctuary, the gnostic light of TRUTH itself.
Such a temple is dedicated to the A.'.A.'. the inner or third order.
I see no reason to impose a name upon my particular order that only serves to confuse people as to the nature of its purpose.
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@Metzareph said
"Dude, this post is kind of scaring me."
Shrug, even if Froclown is serious about this (though somehow I doubt it, given the Discordian admission), people can still quote Matthew 7:16 and "you get the teacher you deserve" to their hearts content, like they do about all of the other A.'.A.'. lineages. Statements like "not kept written records as orderly as one should" and "I may lumber a bit on physically doing things, but I have attained much on the inner planes" are certainly telling of a potential teacher's worth (not to mention the various misogynist statements made by F'clown on this website among others).
By the way Froclown - I think its funny you are suddenly claiming all this stuff about inner planes and hailing inner orders... weren't you psychologizing and technologizing the whole spiritual experience a week or two ago? If it happens that you are serious about "running an A.'.A.'." you're clearly using that name to ride on the coat-tails of the reputation of Crowley's order, and not sincere in your appreciation of "inner order" in any way shape or form. Without that time-tested name A.'.A.'., you've got nothing but a jumble of disconnected and untested ideas about the future, psychology, yoga, and the occult. If you had a serious system, one worthy of students on its own merits, then you'd have the balls to call it by its own name.
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I think perhaps we only differ on our understanding of what the "spiritual" and "inner orders" mean.
I am ultimately a transcendental materialist.
My statements which you suppose to be misogynistic were far less so than Crowley's misogynism. But in truth they were not anti-woman but rather anti a certain type of woman. That is woman who has no higher concerns than basic biological needs. That is the Female black magician, whose interest are in to use sex appeal to seduce men into giving them shiny stones and children. All just ornaments that say look at me, look at me.
Such women (Which is to say most women, save a few Thelemic examples) are not concerned with the Great Work. They contribute little and are most removed from the "current". I spoke ill modern culture and its origin in the old aeon, and and chastised woman for allowing this culture to appeal to the lowest elements of her nature. A culture which depends upon Feminine vanity and obsession with image over substance which is destroying all true art, literature, and even the higher exploits of the sciences.
My only claim with regard to the A.'.A.'. is that it is not the building ar the lineage that makes it the A.'.A.'. It is the intent to initiate members into the Hermetic arts, reformulated to express the now Aeon perspective.
That of the individual as relative center, rather that the almighty "some other thing thats not oneself"
The A.'.A.'. is not worship of some order, it is found in oneself. We are all Ipssissimus at our core, the trick is to raise our awareness of our true inner nature. Rather that the old aeon formula of exalting some GOD or savior.
If I can assist one member into the light, then I feel my order is a success. And a True representative of the inner order.
As far as riding Crowley's coat tails, why should I not? Hawking rides Einstein's coat tails, took over for Newton. And they are all considered Physicists, even though they don't have official lineage or permission to continue from eachother's works and each teaches his own method and theories of physics, yet they all teach physics. How can that be? maybe because each man is in contact with the platonic IDEAL of physics, they teach different things yet to study any of them is to contact that inner order called the brotherhood of physics professors.
So I having studied Thelema and the A.'.A.'. and made progress in the things that it teaches, wish to teach the A.'.A.'. to others.
"And he must teach"
I don't see why anyone would have a problem with that.
Clearly I openly admit to having no direct lineage and I admit I have flaws in some areas of discipline, so I am not deceitful.Responsibility to the initiates will give me incentive to keep better records.
When I practiced alone, I did not need people reading my journals nor did I have anyone to inspect them. I realize I ran into problems because I didn't have an objective record to judge my progress, I wish I had kept records, but hind sight is 20/20 they say. -
And Discordianism.
As I said before each sepheroth has a religious or philosophical perspective which to fully accept that philosophy "religiously" is a means to attain the awareness of that Sepheroth, which is half way to the grade associated with it.
Anyway Discordianism relates mostly to Daath If you compare the Discordian doctrines with "Liber OS ABYSMI vel DAATH" you will see that as you get deep into Discordianism especially if you are also a Philosophy major, you are performing the very same rites.
Also The Apple of Discord, is a direct parallel to the Cup of Babalon, with Eris as the mother Goddess that relates to Binna. I think it obvious that Discordia makes a fine consort for CHAOS, the Lord of Chokmah.
If approached properly "nothing is true; Everything is permissible" as a mantra produces the same experience and results as "the soldier and the hunchback." Ultimately its a total banishing, the result leaves one a "babe of the abyss"
The book af lies fits in just as well with Thelema as Discordianism.
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Froclown -
The sheer breadth and depth of your misapprehensions concerning just about everything you've written about on this forum is quite breathtaking. Just about everything you post is contradicted by something else posted by you a few days earlier. You talk about getting students as a goad to get you to keep records. What do you intend to tell them about the importance of the Magical Record? To wait until they have students of their own before they have to do so?
I don't think I've ever read anyone on this forum who talks out his ass quite as well as you do and I pity anyone who buys into your bullshit enough to accept you as a teacher.
I normally wouldn't bother saying any of this, but I find the overwhelming evidence in many of your posts of a deep and abiding hatred of women quite distasteful. Fro' you are a sad, pathetic little man.
Dan
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JAE is so patient with you. There's no way anyone on this list can take what you say seriously. Your viewpoint has no reference points or vocabulary that anyone can relate to.
It would be more beneficial if you actually had something to communicate to us so we could respond to you. Otherwise, you may find that no one responds to you, and it will be as if you are invisible.
In L.V.X.,
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On the contrary, it is by not keeping records that I learn their importance.
Anyway, I have my Probationers keeping journals for 2-3 weeks without any kind of ritual practices to get a base reading as a control.
Then I will introduce simple meditation and Kabbalistic cross exersizes. Compare journals (including pulse rate, and blood pressure readings) with the base readings.
Which provides the scientific controls that were missing from my own work efforts.
I keep a similar record myself, and can not be accused of hypocrisy.
And women have many good qualities that are repressed by Osiris culture and ideals, where as her lowest qualities are enhanced. This is my criticism, nothing more.
Turning her away from authenticity and into a deceptive siren, an image and a lie. Thelema seeks to reconnect her with her nature and promotes Authenticity.
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@Froclown said
"Anyway, I have my Probationers keeping journals for 2-3 weeks without any kind of ritual practices to get a base reading as a control.
Then I will introduce simple meditation and Kabbalistic cross exersizes. Compare journals (including pulse rate, and blood pressure readings) with the base readings. "
For purposes of comparison:
@Aleister Crowley said
"I have been asked by Authority to say a few words on the relations which should subsist between a Neophyte and his Probationers... He is not expected to set definite tasks, nor has he authority to do so. The Probationer is purposely left to himself, as the object of probation is principally that those in authority may discover the nature of the raw material. (Editorial, The Equinox No. 7.)"
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I have only asked them to keep journals at this time, journals of their normal behavior, I asked for a pulse and if possible blood pressure, in order to get some sort of measure on base physiology.
I have not given any specific tasks at this time, and when I do, for the probationer these tasks only serve as benchmarks to setting some sort of routine, by which to organize the information.
Thrice daily performance of LBPR will be required of Neophytes.
Liber Jugorum, part 1 of Zelators. Etc.
I am staying mostly with the original material, but for some initiates, I may try out alternative readings and practices. Of course comparing the effectiveness, via the journal records.
The process can them be refined and improved upon. I wish I had kept a journal, so I could compare theirs to mine. Which would facilitate matters greatly and lend credibility.
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"It may be true that you are running something you have called A.'.A.'.. Let's please not confuse it with anything that anyone else here means by that name"
I feel that lineage is an important thing if you are joning a ritual group that deals with initiation. They got to have the right inner contact.
As for ToT there is no question.
I see the whole thing like a driver license. Would I ride in a taxi cab with someone who don't have a driver license? -
Which brings us to the original question of "joining the A. A." I have all the physical books. Many I have already read and continue to study. Whom may I contact to officially begin my period of study, so that when the time is ended, I can be tested and become a probationer? I am too far currently from any temples, but that may change by the end of the student period. Also, trips the temples in LA are possible as I frequent there often.
Thanks in advance for the enlightenment.
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I suggest you visit www.ordoaa.org and www.thelema.org
Everything you need is there.
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Froclown,
Your use of the title A.'.A.'. ticks me off, and is total bull. How dare you use the title of my brotherhood that you have no right to? We labor constantly to spread the light to humanity and have a direct line from Crowley himself as well as connections in the third order. You attempt to cheapen our name with some internet- log- in-and I will go ahead and accept you?
If you want to be in the A.'.A.'. get off your tail and do the work like everyone else and stop being lazy.