Reguli
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@Jim Eshelman said
"For day to day, I much prefer the LBR."
The LBR of the Pentagram and Hexagram followed by their invoking counterparts has always seemed tedious to me; do you use something else for invokation?
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@Jackdaw said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"For day to day, I much prefer the LBR."The LBR of the Pentagram and Hexagram followed by their invoking counterparts has always seemed tedious to me; do you use something else for invokation?"
What kind of invocation? The word can be used many different ways, and my answer would vary accordingly. But, in general, yes I use variations of the traditional Lesser, Greater, and Supreme Pentagram and Hexagram Rituals most often for the act of invoking a principle attuned to one of them.
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93, All,
"Jim said:
In the spirit of Reguli, I'd say there is none. You're leaving yourself open to all the filth within yourself and the universe.
"Which, to me, explains why I felt the need to wrap myself up in blankets and lie in bed for the next eight hours after doing it the first time back in 2006!
"Jackdaw wrote:
Okay, so then, like I asked, what is its complement? It seems funny to apply the Star Ruby with a different invoking ritual, would you advise using the lesser or greater banishing rituals of the pentagram and hexagram? "Wow. It never occured to me to even ask this question!
In fact, I've considered Reguli to be like some Tantric processes in that it, in my experience, is to the other pentagram rituals what rolfing is to massage. It really shakes things up and breaks down 'calcified' thought-forms and body armor. I actually feel as if C.S. Hyatt's 'Undoing Yourself' process (at least the first several steps articulated in his book 'Undoing Yourself with Energized Meditation') could be excellent preparation for doing this Ritual. Of course, one would already be working through efficacious use of the LRP/GRP/SRP/Star Ruby rituals.
I also feel the 'First Gesture' has applications beyond this Ritual, much as the Qabalistic Cross does, as well.
In my arrogant opinion, of course!
93s,
THVR
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@Jim Eshelman said
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"And why is the Star Sapphire in Liber ABA directly succeeding the Star Ruby?"That's just the way they were collated. They were written together."
So why is it under the heading Principal Ritual?
Also rituals seem similar in form to me and I feel like the comment from the Book of Lies ties them together saying, "The Star Sapphire corresponds with the Star-Ruby..."
I think I was getting confused between consecration, the instruction in the LRH that it be performed after the LRP, and the link I perceived between the LRH and the Star Sapphire; which it seems like you're saying doesn't exist (and is confusing me what with it being refered to in its Book of Lies commentary as the 'real and perfect ritual of the hexagram).
I was thinking a general ritual might begin with a banishing and a general invocation before proceeding to the purpose of the ritual.
I suppose this general invocation doesn't exist and that an invocation specific to the ritual purpose is undertaken within the body of the ritual?
In this case then the preliminary practices would be purification, banishment, and consecration; only banishment of which is ritualistic?Also, on that note, during the consecration of a person, is the symbol used some form of the combination of micro and macrocosm or is it tooled to the entity to be later invoked? If so, are there linear symbols for entities like Dionysus and Isis or is the magician to ad-lib there?
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Well a ritual is a ritual as 1 is not 0.5
Star Ruby, as I understand it, has an invocation as the LBPR has - the invocation of daemons. Any ritual work should begin with a banishing. Now Reguli is another 1 and the one I wouldn't do without astral vision. And I don't have the vision yet.
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Does TOT (if you are a member) offer training or practice in rituals like Reguli, LBR, etc? If so, is it wiser to wait for the opportunity to be advised in the rituals or if you think you understand them proficiently, should you just jump right into them?
From what I've read/learned, some rituals seem to have varying effect of certain degree depending on how they are executed. Others seem like they either produce effects or not. And some, certainly, seem like they would have negative effects or shouldn't be attempted without guidance. It would be good to know which rituals one can handle alone and which rituals should wait until one has reached the proper level of experience and understanding.
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Why is the Star Sapphire under the heading Principal Ritual?
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@Nudor said
"Does TOT (if you are a member) offer training or practice in rituals like Reguli, LBR, etc?"
"Like"? Yes. Specifics? Mixed.
For example: Liber Reguli is nowhere in the curriculum. LBR training is early and it's a major feature of First Order work.
"From what I've read/learned, some rituals seem to have varying effect of certain degree depending on how they are executed. Others seem like they either produce effects or not. And some, certainly, seem like they would have negative effects or shouldn't be attempted without guidance. It would be good to know which rituals one can handle alone and which rituals should wait until one has reached the proper level of experience and understanding."
None of them will kill you.
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Jackdaw said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"For day to day, I much prefer the LBR."The LBR of the Pentagram and Hexagram followed by their invoking counterparts has always seemed tedious to me; do you use something else for invokation?"
What kind of invocation? The word can be used many different ways, and my answer would vary accordingly. But, in general, yes I use variations of the traditional Lesser, Greater, and Supreme Pentagram and Hexagram Rituals most often for the act of invoking a principle attuned to one of them."
I meant the general invocation suggested in Liber O, part IV, verse 4. I assume you use one of those for the 'special invocation' also suggested.
If you used the LBRP & H followed by a general invocation would you then later use the LIRP & H and would that be the climax of the ritual or the end of preliminary action?
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@Jackdaw said
"I meant the general invocation suggested in Liber O, part IV, verse 4. I assume you use one of those for the 'special invocation' also suggested."
Oh, that. All sorts of different things. The purpose of that step in a ritual is to draw undifferentiated current - essentially wiring your house before you concern yourself with what sort of appliances you want to plug in. So, for example (one example of dozens), one of the Middle Pillar rituals would be perfect. So would general invocations such as "Thou who art I," etc. from The Ship.
"If you used the LBRP & H followed by a general invocation would you then later use the LIRP & H and would that be the climax of the ritual or the end of preliminary action?"
More like "the beginning of the middle."
For preliminaries I think more in terms of clearing the space (banishings, purifications, etc. - creating the Zero), the preliminary invocation (turning on the generic current), and declaring the purpose of the ritual. One then moves on the a specific invocation and enactment of whatever formula embodies the intended consequence of the work (the heart of the specific ritual proper), some means of drawing that invoked force down to the intended plane (resulting in a specific force drawn down to a specific level of vibration) and grounding, followed by whatever conclusion is required.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"followed by whatever conclusion is required."
Do you perform certain ceremonies to conclude general rituals?
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@Jim Eshelman said
"One then moves on the a specific invocation and enactment of whatever formula embodies the intended consequence of the work (the heart of the specific ritual proper), some means of drawing that invoked force down to the intended plane (resulting in a specific force drawn down to a specific level of vibration) and grounding"
Would the Mass of the Phoenix cover all of that?
Like the body of the ritual?the LBRP & H
a general invocation
the body
[conclusion]Is that correct?
I'm trying to figure out how I'd like to introduce and conclude general rituals.
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@Jackdaw said
"Would the Mass of the Phoenix cover all of that?"
It depends. Your steps should be thematically consistent with the purpose and context of the ritual and various choices made along the way.
"I'm trying to figure out how I'd like to introduce and conclude general rituals."
Each of the first nine issues of Black Pearl gave samples of ritual composition for specific purposes, each using a different style and theoretical approach based essentially on the formula I summarized above.
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What would you recommend to surround the Mass of the Phoenix?
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@Jackdaw said
"What would you recommend to surround the Mass of the Phoenix?"
Is anything needed? The Mass of the Phoenix is a complete ritual in its own right.
Possibly I'm missing the question.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"one of the Middle Pillar rituals would be perfect. So would general invocations such as "Thou who art I," etc. from The Ship. "
What is a good source for these?
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@Jackdaw said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"one of the Middle Pillar rituals would be perfect. So would general invocations such as "Thou who art I," etc. from The Ship. "What is a good source for these?"
I can't tell you a single specific source.
In an appendix to 776 1/2 I provided the following list of examples, prefixing it with the statement: "Many of the ways of fulfilling this step are actually small rituals themselves. Others are briefer invocations. Some examples include..."
- [:mu9nnib8]"The Bornless Ritual" (rewritten as Liber Samekh, often mentioned by Crowley as "The Preliminary Invocation" of The Goetia); see the appendices of MTP[/
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[:mu9nnib8]"Opening by Watchtower" (an elaboration of the Open of the Portal Ceremony); see Regardie, Ceremonial Magic[/mu9nnib8]
[:mu9nnib8]"The Opening of the Pyramid" (a personal variation of the opening of the A.'.A.'. Ritual DCLXXI, based on the Neophyte formula)[/mu9nnib8]
[:mu9nnib8]The Middle Pillar Ritual[/mu9nnib8]
[:mu9nnib8]The Supreme Invoking Ritual of the Pentagram (of the Five Elements)[/mu9nnib8]
[:mu9nnib8]The Ritual of the Star Sapphire (A.'.A.'. Liber XXXVI)[/mu9nnib8]
[:mu9nnib8]Liber Pleiades (for those who are fortunate enough to have it)[/mu9nnib8]
[:mu9nnib8]The General Exordium or The Particular Exordium from R.R. et A.C. Book Z-2; see Regardie, The Golden Dawn[/mu9nnib8]
[:mu9nnib8]Crowley's "Hymn to Pan" (from Equinox III:1, or MTP)[/mu9nnib8]
[:mu9nnib8]The "Rosicrucian Prayer" from the old Adeptus Minor Initiation and other sources (also the variation thereof, "From Thee," &c., which is known to every initiate of T.'.O.'.T.'.)[/mu9nnib8]
[:mu9nnib8]The Anthem from the Gnostic Catholic Mass (A.'.A.'. Liber XV)[/mu9nnib8]
[:mu9nnib8]The First and/or Second Enochian Calls (these are invocations of Spirit; their uses are distinct, and they require a specific understanding of their operation)[/mu9nnib8]
These, of course, are only a few examples of the many that could be employed.
- [:mu9nnib8]"The Bornless Ritual" (rewritten as Liber Samekh, often mentioned by Crowley as "The Preliminary Invocation" of The Goetia); see the appendices of MTP[/