Enochian
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@Shachdar8=3 said
"Can you elaborate on why you think this is so, in your honest opinion/perception?"
Well, first I'd have to go back through the books (one or two or which I think I still have around here). It would be a tedious job - more or less a page-by-page documentation of errors, or things made up without saying so, etc.
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93 Jim.
Fair enough response...
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James
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93 RifRaf,
I still stand by the answer I gave that for a "Beginners" book, I feel that the Enochian Workbook is a good book for beginners.
As far as the other book you mentioned, "Advanced Enochian Magick", I made no reference to IT at all!
As for the quote...That is exactly what I called it, "A Quote".
I have met the Schuelers, and worked with them in Ritual.
I happen to find them to be great people.
As for borrowed knowledge, I think most everyone does this...Including YOU.
You are on this forum. You obviously read books and borrow knowledge from them, and even work rituals which you may think are correct, but may very well not be.The Tarot deck (Art work) is great. I wouldn't use it for divination, but for visuals for Aethyrs, yes.
We can go on and on about this.
This is a matter of opinion.
It was an answer to an original question in this thread.Obviously there are those of you who haven't come into K&C with their H.G.A.
The Ego's running ramped. Responses to things I never even asked for.
Too funny.Thanks for starting my day off with a laugh RifRaf!!!
93 93/93.'.
James
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@Shachdar8=3 said
"I have met the Schuelers, and worked with them in Ritual."
Great people don't always write great books
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@Shachdar8=3 said
"Also, a great beginner book in general is Donald Michael Craig's "Modern Magick" It is non Thelemic, but does cover the Enochian tradition, as well as all important aspects of personal training from beginning to end"
I ordered Donald Kraig's 11 Lessons in the High Magickal Arts earlier this year purely on reader recommendations at Amazon.com. I regret to say that I was highly unimpressed by Kraig. The chapters seemed rather... fluffy and basic. I haven't read Kraig's Modern Magick and it's possible that the book is brilliant in comparison to 11 Lessons - but "possible" and "likely" are not the same ...
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Great book writers aren't always great people either.
I am not starting an argument...Just stating a point of personal opinion.
I have also worked with Lon Duquette... I think he is a great writer and a great person.I have worked with and will continue to work with many magicians. Thelemic, Enochian, etc.
As for the other comment of ego, and mine being a personal example of it, take a look at your own comment closely. (Rifraf)
I know this is a public forum...That is why I am discussing all of this.
93 93/93.'.
"Thou hast no right but to do thy will".
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93
Just making reference to all of the "Duquette" recommendations, and that I have a great deal of respect for him as a writer, a Brother, and a magician.
In the same context, I was, at a latter point, making a similar recommendation to the Scheulers.
And yes, you did allude to "Ego". As I did!
Anyways, I am done with the petty little b.s. that goes on in a single thread.
It is quite ridiculous, and if I may quote another person on this forum, it would be quite tedious to go any further than this.
<To the original person that posed the question in the thread>
I WISH YOU THE BEST ENDEAVORS IN YOUR ENOCHIAN RESEARCH.93 93/93.'.
In L.V.X. and N.O.X.
James
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93 Rif Raf,
I am not upset, nor have I been upset. See, this is one problem that people get through e-males, posts, etc. One never knows how to take what the other is trying to say.
Does this make sense?
Anyways, I appreciate all of the feedback and responses that I got about the Shuelers. It is just funny when asked why, people (other than yourself), cannot, or would not take the time to give any real reason as to why the "Enochian Workbook" is so "Bad" for a "Beginner".
I know that there are revisions that need to be made to the tablets, etc.
However, it is the same system the Golden Dawn had used.
I also disagree with most all traditional elemental directions, and how the pentagrams are drawn. I could go on and on about the "Bad" things in regard to the Shuelers work. But, for a BEGINNER, I think it has the basic fundamentals needed to at least give one an overview of the whole system and at least get started.There are other books that have similar information.
(LBRP), YOGA, GRP, GRH, etc. Some more "Thelemic", like Lon's books.This was simply a recommendation.
I am in no way upset.93 93/93.'.
James
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as long as you don't start with "enochian magick for beginers" by donald tyson.... now THAT was the biggest piece of crap I've EVER read...
by the end of it he's basically making the enochian angels out to be some lovecraftian "outer beings" or "great old ones" that have really tricked Dee and the rest of the magicians into letting them into our world so they can usher in the apocalpyse..
now I love Lovecraft as much as the next recovering goth but wtf?
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93 Johnathan,
I have to totally agree with you there.
Somehow, though, I do like the new "Necronomicon" Tarot deck.
Not for divination purposes, but the art work is wicked!!!93 93/93.'.
James
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If you wan to learn Enochian Magick, don't bother reading another magician's interpretation of the system - go straight to the source ...start with the Dee's earliest sessions, contained in John Dee's Five Books of Mystery, & move on to the later material which can be found in A True & Faithful Relation of what Passed for Many Years Between John Dee & Some Spirits. Everything you need is present in those texts. A True & Faithful Relation... contains some errors, but the majority of them are minor.
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Na - if you want learn REAL enochian (wink wink nudge nudge) contact the Angels directly - why go through the Dee filter even
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@Scarecrow said
"Na - if you want learn REAL enochian (wink wink nudge nudge) contact the Angels directly - why go through the Dee filter even"
hehe...right on!
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@RifRaf said
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@Scarecrow said
"Na - if you want learn REAL enochian (wink wink nudge nudge) contact the Angels directly - why go through the Dee filter even"How would you know how to contact the Angels if you hadn't read some Enochian material? It's not that simple of a system."
Because hes full of shit?
IAO131
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Aum Ha
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I agree, Start with Dee, and use Liber 777. For a chart of the correct elements of the angelic spirits..
But I find Goetia easier though
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I've read this whole forum.. It's all bullshit..
Dee's magickal system is the original and the best..
once you work it.. you will develop your own system..
AND IF YOU KNOW HOW TO ASK PROPERLY you will become a greater magician..
hey.. I wish I would have did an enochian working to keep michael jackson from dying.. damn, I didnt see it coming..