Enochian
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93 Rif Raf,
I am not upset, nor have I been upset. See, this is one problem that people get through e-males, posts, etc. One never knows how to take what the other is trying to say.
Does this make sense?
Anyways, I appreciate all of the feedback and responses that I got about the Shuelers. It is just funny when asked why, people (other than yourself), cannot, or would not take the time to give any real reason as to why the "Enochian Workbook" is so "Bad" for a "Beginner".
I know that there are revisions that need to be made to the tablets, etc.
However, it is the same system the Golden Dawn had used.
I also disagree with most all traditional elemental directions, and how the pentagrams are drawn. I could go on and on about the "Bad" things in regard to the Shuelers work. But, for a BEGINNER, I think it has the basic fundamentals needed to at least give one an overview of the whole system and at least get started.There are other books that have similar information.
(LBRP), YOGA, GRP, GRH, etc. Some more "Thelemic", like Lon's books.This was simply a recommendation.
I am in no way upset.93 93/93.'.
James
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as long as you don't start with "enochian magick for beginers" by donald tyson.... now THAT was the biggest piece of crap I've EVER read...
by the end of it he's basically making the enochian angels out to be some lovecraftian "outer beings" or "great old ones" that have really tricked Dee and the rest of the magicians into letting them into our world so they can usher in the apocalpyse..
now I love Lovecraft as much as the next recovering goth but wtf?
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93 Johnathan,
I have to totally agree with you there.
Somehow, though, I do like the new "Necronomicon" Tarot deck.
Not for divination purposes, but the art work is wicked!!!93 93/93.'.
James
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If you wan to learn Enochian Magick, don't bother reading another magician's interpretation of the system - go straight to the source ...start with the Dee's earliest sessions, contained in John Dee's Five Books of Mystery, & move on to the later material which can be found in A True & Faithful Relation of what Passed for Many Years Between John Dee & Some Spirits. Everything you need is present in those texts. A True & Faithful Relation... contains some errors, but the majority of them are minor.
729
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Na - if you want learn REAL enochian (wink wink nudge nudge) contact the Angels directly - why go through the Dee filter even
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@Scarecrow said
"Na - if you want learn REAL enochian (wink wink nudge nudge) contact the Angels directly - why go through the Dee filter even"
hehe...right on!
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@RifRaf said
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@Scarecrow said
"Na - if you want learn REAL enochian (wink wink nudge nudge) contact the Angels directly - why go through the Dee filter even"How would you know how to contact the Angels if you hadn't read some Enochian material? It's not that simple of a system."
Because hes full of shit?
IAO131
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Aum Ha
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I agree, Start with Dee, and use Liber 777. For a chart of the correct elements of the angelic spirits..
But I find Goetia easier though
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I've read this whole forum.. It's all bullshit..
Dee's magickal system is the original and the best..
once you work it.. you will develop your own system..
AND IF YOU KNOW HOW TO ASK PROPERLY you will become a greater magician..
hey.. I wish I would have did an enochian working to keep michael jackson from dying.. damn, I didnt see it coming..