Tarot Decks
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After spending the past few years as an amateur armchair occultist I just recently got hold of a copy of Daniel Kraig's Modern Magick after hearing many good things about it. It suggests I get a Tarot deck and advises I choose from the Golden Dawn Tarot, the Hermetic Tarot, and the BOTA Tarot (It says you can get a few others, including the Rider-Waite, which I actually used to have a copy of, but I have never seen any of the three decks he suggests in person.
I've looked at reviews and pictures of the three decks and have determined my personal, uneducated preference, but was hoping for some possible insight from people who actually know what they're doing, lol.
Any assistance or insight would be greatly appreciated.
@Southern Magician said
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- As an afterthought, I'd also appreciate any tips about any sort of ceremonial magick groups/community in Virginia (especially in the eastern portion of the state)."
I live in Tidewater and know of no active Thelemic/Hermetic groups/community in this area. There is a shop, the Mystic Moon, which caters mostly to the Wiccan/Pagan community and they offer weekly classes on magic.
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After spending the past few years as an amateur armchair occultist I just recently got hold of a copy of Daniel Kraig's Modern Magick after hearing many good things about it. It suggests I get a Tarot deck and advises I choose from the Golden Dawn Tarot, the Hermetic Tarot, and the BOTA Tarot (It says you can get a few others, including the Rider-Waite, which I actually used to have a copy of, but I have never seen any of the three decks he suggests in person.
I've looked at reviews and pictures of the three decks and have determined my personal, uneducated preference, but was hoping for some possible insight from people who actually know what they're doing, lol.
Any assistance or insight would be greatly appreciated.
Thought I'd chime in...
if you get the Thoth, be aware there are 2 chief sizes, I prefer the larger one for meditation and the smaller for any type of "divination." Also, the older ones didn't have this *imho *annoying white border, so if you see "new old stock" that might actually be preferable.
If you went with a Waite-style deck -you didn't want to color one yourself like BOTA- I would go with "universal waite" because it's nicely colored in.
Also, does anyone know Kraig's background? I've read his book. He seems very familiar with Crowley/OTO so I was curious.
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After spending the past few years as an amateur armchair occultist I just recently got hold of a copy of Daniel Kraig's Modern Magick after hearing many good things about it. It suggests I get a Tarot deck and advises I choose from the Golden Dawn Tarot, the Hermetic Tarot, and the BOTA Tarot (It says you can get a few others, including the Rider-Waite, which I actually used to have a copy of, but I have never seen any of the three decks he suggests in person.
I've looked at reviews and pictures of the three decks and have determined my personal, uneducated preference, but was hoping for some possible insight from people who actually know what they're doing, lol.
Any assistance or insight would be greatly appreciated.
@Jim Eshelman said
"I regret that there are one or two cards I just don't like. (The Fool completely misses the mark, even though it is technically "correct" in every detail - it just misses some key elements. I couldn't meditate on the Trumps sequentially for 15-20 years because I couldn't get past The Fool; then realized I'd been silly, and started with The Universe to bypass the problem <g>. I'll worry about The Fool when I'm en route to Ipsissimus <g>.)"
I’ve read about a few different methods of learning/using the Tarot for meditation where one starts with the Fool or Universe and works through all the trumps (or the whole deck) in a circuit type manner. Over time you’d build up mental images of each card and a specific sequence. This type of circuit approach to meditating on the Tarot appeals to me.
What kind of options does one have when working with a deck that has a card or two that misses the mark (such as the Fool in the Thoth)?
Would any of these options be feasible?
-Skipping the card in question –i.e. go from Magician to the Universe
- Swapping the card in question with one from a different deck (i.e. The Fool from the BOTA deck) or with one you created yourself that contained all the symbolism of the card but arranged in a manner so that the card doesn’t miss the mark.
-Using a shorter circuit that deals with the lower part of the tree.
Also, what kind of disadvantages/problems could arise from building up a pattern of images that contained a bad image or two? Thank you in advance.
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After spending the past few years as an amateur armchair occultist I just recently got hold of a copy of Daniel Kraig's Modern Magick after hearing many good things about it. It suggests I get a Tarot deck and advises I choose from the Golden Dawn Tarot, the Hermetic Tarot, and the BOTA Tarot (It says you can get a few others, including the Rider-Waite, which I actually used to have a copy of, but I have never seen any of the three decks he suggests in person.
I've looked at reviews and pictures of the three decks and have determined my personal, uneducated preference, but was hoping for some possible insight from people who actually know what they're doing, lol.
Any assistance or insight would be greatly appreciated.
@skytoucher said
"What kind of options does one have when working with a deck that has a card or two that misses the mark (such as the Fool in the Thoth)?"
I'd recommend sticking with the deck all the way through anyway. There's an internal consistency that's important.
"Would any of these options be feasible?
-Skipping the card in question –i.e. go from Magician to the Universe"
No! The 22 as a set are a pattern, and the sequence of the cards is one of the most important parts of the pattern. Don't skip.
"- Swapping the card in question with one from a different deck (i.e. The Fool from the BOTA deck) or with one you created yourself that contained all the symbolism of the card but arranged in a manner so that the card dozen’t miss the mark."
I wouldn't recommend it. The most important things on each card aren't in their pictures anyway - but in their attributions which you will be learning along the way - but it seems important to stay with an internally consistent symbol set.
"-Using a shorter circuit that deals with the lower part of the tree."
That might be a specialized practice, but isn't the full practice you were talking about; so, ultimately, it's not a solution.
"Also, what kind of disadvantages/problems could arise from building up a pattern of images that contained a bad image or two? Thank you in advance."
BTW, in case it matters to this conversation - I didn't say the cards were bad. I said there were a couple I didn't like. BIG difference!
If they are out and out BAD (= seriously wrong suggestions to subconsciousness), then I'd skip the deck altogether. Because, ultimately, that's what you're doing in meditating on the cards: You are systematically programming subconsciousness.
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After spending the past few years as an amateur armchair occultist I just recently got hold of a copy of Daniel Kraig's Modern Magick after hearing many good things about it. It suggests I get a Tarot deck and advises I choose from the Golden Dawn Tarot, the Hermetic Tarot, and the BOTA Tarot (It says you can get a few others, including the Rider-Waite, which I actually used to have a copy of, but I have never seen any of the three decks he suggests in person.
I've looked at reviews and pictures of the three decks and have determined my personal, uneducated preference, but was hoping for some possible insight from people who actually know what they're doing, lol.
Any assistance or insight would be greatly appreciated.
hey, i've an honest inquiry
i myself have been wanting to get a tarot deck for some time...might ask for one for xmas or something...or probably just buy one when i get the extra dough.
ive seen the Waite deck, and its pretty good
but i really want the Thoth deck for its rich symbolism and imagery
now...ive noticed there is like one Thoth deck that is over $100, one thats in the $50-$80 range, and then theres this one:
which is only like $30.
$80+ seems like a helluva price for a tarot deck...just dont know if i can shell out that kind of dough. do you think the one in the link i posted would still suit my fancy better then the Rider/Waite deck?
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After spending the past few years as an amateur armchair occultist I just recently got hold of a copy of Daniel Kraig's Modern Magick after hearing many good things about it. It suggests I get a Tarot deck and advises I choose from the Golden Dawn Tarot, the Hermetic Tarot, and the BOTA Tarot (It says you can get a few others, including the Rider-Waite, which I actually used to have a copy of, but I have never seen any of the three decks he suggests in person.
I've looked at reviews and pictures of the three decks and have determined my personal, uneducated preference, but was hoping for some possible insight from people who actually know what they're doing, lol.
Any assistance or insight would be greatly appreciated.
The one in your link is the Muller version. It's the best-produced, and the only version I'd recommend.
Be sure it's the size you want, though - on a quick glance, I didn't notice what size that deck was.
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After spending the past few years as an amateur armchair occultist I just recently got hold of a copy of Daniel Kraig's Modern Magick after hearing many good things about it. It suggests I get a Tarot deck and advises I choose from the Golden Dawn Tarot, the Hermetic Tarot, and the BOTA Tarot (It says you can get a few others, including the Rider-Waite, which I actually used to have a copy of, but I have never seen any of the three decks he suggests in person.
I've looked at reviews and pictures of the three decks and have determined my personal, uneducated preference, but was hoping for some possible insight from people who actually know what they're doing, lol.
Any assistance or insight would be greatly appreciated.
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After spending the past few years as an amateur armchair occultist I just recently got hold of a copy of Daniel Kraig's Modern Magick after hearing many good things about it. It suggests I get a Tarot deck and advises I choose from the Golden Dawn Tarot, the Hermetic Tarot, and the BOTA Tarot (It says you can get a few others, including the Rider-Waite, which I actually used to have a copy of, but I have never seen any of the three decks he suggests in person.
I've looked at reviews and pictures of the three decks and have determined my personal, uneducated preference, but was hoping for some possible insight from people who actually know what they're doing, lol.
Any assistance or insight would be greatly appreciated.
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After spending the past few years as an amateur armchair occultist I just recently got hold of a copy of Daniel Kraig's Modern Magick after hearing many good things about it. It suggests I get a Tarot deck and advises I choose from the Golden Dawn Tarot, the Hermetic Tarot, and the BOTA Tarot (It says you can get a few others, including the Rider-Waite, which I actually used to have a copy of, but I have never seen any of the three decks he suggests in person.
I've looked at reviews and pictures of the three decks and have determined my personal, uneducated preference, but was hoping for some possible insight from people who actually know what they're doing, lol.
Any assistance or insight would be greatly appreciated.
@rein said
"Thats surprising, considering there are some Thoth decks over 100 dollars on amazon."
On a quick glance, the only ones at that price are from third party dealers, not from Amazon directly. For example, though some of the following are "new," they aren't from Amazon directly:
www.amazon.com/Aleister-Crowley-Thoth-Tarot-Deck/dp/0913866156/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257185417&sr=8-1When an item is out of print, many instantly considedr it a collector's item no matter what its quality, and jack the price accordingly.
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After spending the past few years as an amateur armchair occultist I just recently got hold of a copy of Daniel Kraig's Modern Magick after hearing many good things about it. It suggests I get a Tarot deck and advises I choose from the Golden Dawn Tarot, the Hermetic Tarot, and the BOTA Tarot (It says you can get a few others, including the Rider-Waite, which I actually used to have a copy of, but I have never seen any of the three decks he suggests in person.
I've looked at reviews and pictures of the three decks and have determined my personal, uneducated preference, but was hoping for some possible insight from people who actually know what they're doing, lol.
Any assistance or insight would be greatly appreciated.
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After spending the past few years as an amateur armchair occultist I just recently got hold of a copy of Daniel Kraig's Modern Magick after hearing many good things about it. It suggests I get a Tarot deck and advises I choose from the Golden Dawn Tarot, the Hermetic Tarot, and the BOTA Tarot (It says you can get a few others, including the Rider-Waite, which I actually used to have a copy of, but I have never seen any of the three decks he suggests in person.
I've looked at reviews and pictures of the three decks and have determined my personal, uneducated preference, but was hoping for some possible insight from people who actually know what they're doing, lol.
Any assistance or insight would be greatly appreciated.
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After spending the past few years as an amateur armchair occultist I just recently got hold of a copy of Daniel Kraig's Modern Magick after hearing many good things about it. It suggests I get a Tarot deck and advises I choose from the Golden Dawn Tarot, the Hermetic Tarot, and the BOTA Tarot (It says you can get a few others, including the Rider-Waite, which I actually used to have a copy of, but I have never seen any of the three decks he suggests in person.
I've looked at reviews and pictures of the three decks and have determined my personal, uneducated preference, but was hoping for some possible insight from people who actually know what they're doing, lol.
Any assistance or insight would be greatly appreciated.
@Ankh said
"Has Temple of Thelema ever considered creating and publishing its own tarot deck?"
I've considered it (and have a gifted artist who several times has expressed her desire to do one).
But why? I'm not impressed with a proliferation of decks, and we have the Thoth deck. It's hard to imagine a better deck for our ritual work, and nearly everything I might create would be a replication of the Thoth deck in all but style and fine points.
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After spending the past few years as an amateur armchair occultist I just recently got hold of a copy of Daniel Kraig's Modern Magick after hearing many good things about it. It suggests I get a Tarot deck and advises I choose from the Golden Dawn Tarot, the Hermetic Tarot, and the BOTA Tarot (It says you can get a few others, including the Rider-Waite, which I actually used to have a copy of, but I have never seen any of the three decks he suggests in person.
I've looked at reviews and pictures of the three decks and have determined my personal, uneducated preference, but was hoping for some possible insight from people who actually know what they're doing, lol.
Any assistance or insight would be greatly appreciated.
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After spending the past few years as an amateur armchair occultist I just recently got hold of a copy of Daniel Kraig's Modern Magick after hearing many good things about it. It suggests I get a Tarot deck and advises I choose from the Golden Dawn Tarot, the Hermetic Tarot, and the BOTA Tarot (It says you can get a few others, including the Rider-Waite, which I actually used to have a copy of, but I have never seen any of the three decks he suggests in person.
I've looked at reviews and pictures of the three decks and have determined my personal, uneducated preference, but was hoping for some possible insight from people who actually know what they're doing, lol.
Any assistance or insight would be greatly appreciated.
@rein said
"If I can't get ahold of the Muller version of the Thoth tarot, whats the second best production?"
The others are pretty much all the same. (Except, avoid the original Llewellyn publication.)
But people have been telling me that the Mueller is the only one they can find these days.