Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram - invoking vs banishing
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"And these orientations vary according to the ritual. In Liber Resh, one is again at the same intersection, but Netzach is in the south and Hod in the north."
Clarification: Isn't Nezach in the south and Hod in the north in the LBRP as Crowley described it above?
The combined correspondences as I am understanding them (perhaps incorrectly):
East - Air - Tiphareth
South - Fire - Netzach
West - Water - Yesod
North - Earth - HodIs that correct?
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@Frater LR said
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"And these orientations vary according to the ritual. In Liber Resh, one is again at the same intersection, but Netzach is in the south and Hod in the north."Clarification: Isn't Nezach in the south and Hod in the north in the LBRP as Crowley described it above?"
No.
Hod is in the south (your right). Its archangel, Michael, is placed there.
Netzach is in the north (your left). Though Hanael is the normally named archangel of Netzach, there are old Rabbinical traditions sometimes substituting Uriel.
But I see your point in the original. He did get them mixed up in this particular paper. I suspect he had Resh on his mind when he dictated that.
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@Tinman said
"So we begin this ritual facing Yesod (moon) with our backs to Tiphareth (sun) instead of how Crowley states it (which you are saying is a mistake in this case - but correct for Liber Resh)?"
The arrangement for the Pentagram Ritual is:
East - Tiphereth (Archangel Raphael)
West - Yesod (Archangel Gabriel)
South - Hod (Archangel Mikhael)
North - Netzach (Archangel Haniel; Uriel is substituted)But for Resh, see Crowley's marginalia in his personal copy of The Equinox. Where it says to give the sign of your grade, he wrote that if you "have no grade," then give the signs of 5=6 (Tiphereth) in the east, 4=7 (Netzach) in the south, 2=9 (Yesod) in the west, and 3=8 (Hod) in the north. There is a lot more built into these than you'll see unless you actual do them.
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@JNV33 said
"If I visualize myself backed into the tree then let the tree fall forward onto the floor, Tipareth would be in front, and Hod clockwise to my right etc. But this seems to confuse the elemental attributions."
Yes. This layout is not about attributions. It's about your position on the Tree. It's indifferent to the Element patterns.
This isn't unusual for the Pentagram Ritual. For example, the Divine Names at each quarter are not names attributed to those Elements either. It's a different scheme: the sequence of the Divine Names matters, not their location. The Divine Names and archangel Names aren't paired with each other except by coincidence of location.
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Jim, I'm absolutely sorry for asking this but I'm feeling low on brain fuel today and so somethings just aren't clicking.
Based on the notes you posted that Crowley wrote, I had been imagining that I take the normal TOL diagram that we're all used to, push it over so it's on the floor and stand at the intersection of the appropriate paths and face the sun (Tiphereth).
But based on the Hod is on your right, Netzach is on your left info you also passed along, it almost seems like I'm on the opposite side of the TOL diagram that I'm standing on the floor. Visualize me looking down at the TOL on the floor and seeing (as if standing on a mirror), me standing with feet to my feet, but upside down. That way I can still be facing Tiphereth with Yesod to my back, but the left and right attributions of Hod and Netzach match up to what you said about Hod being on your right.
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"The arrangement for the Pentagram Ritual is:
East - Tiphereth (Archangel Raphael)
West - Yesod (Archangel Gabriel)
South - Hod (Archangel Mikhael)
North - Netzach (Archangel Haniel; Uriel is substituted)" -
It does sound confusing but I see what Jim is talking about. Basically when Crowley talks about facing Tiphareth at the intersection of Samekh and Pe, with Yesod behind you, you’re not standing on the TOL as you normally see it in diagrams. You’re basically standing on the backside of the Tree so the Left and Right Pillars are reversed. This way, if you visualize two Trees, one for yourself standing upright and one for the TOL diagram you’re standing on, the sephiroths and shoulders will align for both Trees.
Otherwise, if you visualize yourself standing on the TOL diagram as depicted normally, there will be a contradiction between the sephiroths/shoulders alignment in the QC and in the horizontal TOL diagram when performing the LBRP.
Still, it feels strange to visualize oneself standing on the backside of the Tree...the mirror side.
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You're description sounds much better - like suiting up and getting into one's Merkabah spaceship
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@Jim Eshelman said
"This isn't unusual for the Pentagram Ritual. For example, the Divine Names at each quarter are not names attributed to those Elements either. It's a different scheme: the sequence of the Divine Names matters, not their location. The Divine Names and archangel Names aren't paired with each other except by coincidence of location."
What is happening during the IHVH>ADNI>AHIH>AGLA sequence?
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@he atlas itch said
"You're description sounds much better - like suiting up and getting into one's Merkabah spaceship
"Yeah, I realize I was like the fourth person to describe the same thing... now...
Serious brain-lock on that one for a while...But I'm interested in the previous question as well - which I'll repost to make up for the interruption:
"What is happening during the IHVH>ADNI>AHIH>AGLA sequence?"
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That's one of the things I'm not at liberty to go into.
I received permission to freely state that the sequence is what matters, but not to go any further in public. This was one of the terms of receiving that particular teaching. I can only say that it is quite solid and based on exact instruction in one of the oldest (pre-Zohar) Kabbalistic works.
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Yes thanks for sharing that Jim - the two Tree solution was brilliant!
If I can take this opportunity to ask one final question on the LBRP:
When working with the elements of fire, water or air in the LBRP, do you use the* same sequence* of divine names as for earth - i.e. IHVH, ADNI, AHIH and AGLA? Or does each element have a different set of divine names?
Crowley gives a divine name for each element in the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram, but I'm not sure how to reconcile this information with working with different elements in the LBRP.
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@he atlas itch said
"When working with the elements of fire, water or air in the LBRP, do you use the* same sequence* of divine names as for earth - i.e. IHVH, ADNI, AHIH and AGLA? Or does each element have a different set of divine names? "
There are different versions of the Pentagram Ritual. For example, the Supreme Ritual of the Pentagram has different rules. Also, using a pentagram in isolation (outside of the Pentagram Ritual per se) would have different rules.
But one can do a Lesser Invoking Pentagram Ritual of the elements which is very effective (and sufficient for most work), and then, yes, the sequence of names is the same.
PS - Don't confuse the generic Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram with the Earth ritual just because it uses Earth pentagrams. It isn't invoking/banishing Earth per se unless you do other stuff (primarily intention, but also use of color etc.).
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@Jim Eshelman said
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PS - Don't confuse the generic Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram with the Earth ritual just because it uses Earth pentagrams. It isn't invoking/banishing Earth per se unless you do other stuff (primarily intention, but also use of color etc.)."This why I believe it was probably o.k. where the G.D. placed it...
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I'm still quite new to ritual work, and all the various attributions to direction still have me confused.
I'm still getting in the groove of performing the LBRP daily. Should I (1) focus more on the elemental attributions to the quarters, along with attempting vivid color imagery? OR should I (2) focus more on the idea that I'm standing at the juncture of Peh and Samekh on the Tree and not focus so much on the elemental attributions? OR should I (3) simly do both and not worry that the Tree symbolism and the elemental symbolism are indifferent to one another?
I had started working on the basis of the third option, but my mind keeps trying to find associations between the elemental colorings and the spheres I'm pointed toward. I'm unsure of whether I'm supposed to be making those associations, and it's got me blocked.
Thanks.
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You're going down the right path IMO. You need to finish shaking off the common misconception that the Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram is presenting a single framework. It is a much more sophisticated ritual than that.
Because the ritual is a sequence of steps, you don't need to do every piece of it at the same time. In fact, doing so can lead to misunderstanding. For example, as I've mentioned previously, the Divine Names and the archangels are two different kinds of information and not one-on-one connected to each other. To address your specific points:
@Frater LR said
"I'm still getting in the groove of performing the LBRP daily. Should I (1) focus more on the elemental attributions to the quarters, along with attempting vivid color imagery?"
The Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram is not primarily an elemental ritual. The only time you need to focus on the elements at all is in the invocation of the archangels; and, even there, you don't need to think of the quarters in this regard except incidentally. The main point is to see and conceive of the archangels themselves correctly. Their colors and other attributes will tend to inpute an elemental quality to where they stand.
[qipte]OR should I (2) focus more on the idea that I'm standing at the juncture of Peh and Samekh on the Tree and not focus so much on the elemental attributions?"
Don't keep concentrating on this point. Just notice it as you start. Put the focus on the Paths themselves ("There I was, standing at the intersection of Red and Blue, waiting for the Light to change..." <g>). By noticing the Sephiroth in passing, you probably contribute to aligning the main cerebral cortex regions (forebrain, hindbrain, right hemisphere, left hemisphere). Then let it go and don't worry about it.
"OR should I (3) simly do both and not worry that the Tree symbolism and the elemental symbolism are indifferent to one another?"
That's the right track. By all means, don't try to match those up. It's a misattribution of symbolism.
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A: Thanks very much for your response. It felt forced the way I was starting to do it.
B: I understand you at the very beginning of the ritual, and I understand you at the end. The middle - I think I understand, but please indulge me in confirming. So... at the point in the ritual when I'm actually drawing the pentagrams in the basic LBRP, I don't imagine anything specific "behind" the pentagram itself unless I'm specifically using the LRP format in a way that focuses on implementation of the elements - in which case it would be the elemental coloring. Is that correct?
Thanks again.
