Satan and the Qliphoth
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@Cliff Oth said
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The adepts of the LHP glorify the Fall and allow the destruction to be fulfilled. Leading away from the ToL and further into the ToK. the Qliphoth being veiwed as fruits of the ToK"The problem with this view is that you make a false duality. You can't devide the creation from the source. As it is said, Kether is in Malkuth and Malkuth in Kether but in a diffrent order. The great work I belive is not to unite but to realice that there is no division. But this is not as easy as it sounds.
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@noctivagus said
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@Cliff Oth said
"from my notes:
The adepts of the LHP glorify the Fall and allow the destruction to be fulfilled. Leading away from the ToL and further into the ToK. the Qliphoth being veiwed as fruits of the ToK"The problem with this view is that you make a false duality. You can't devide the creation from the source. As it is said, Kether is in Malkuth and Malkuth in Kether but in a diffrent order. The great work I belive is not to unite but to realice that there is no division. But this is not as easy as it sounds.
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Why can't you divide the creation from the source? Why can't you become a creator and no longer a creation? -
"Why can't you divide the creation from the source? Why can't you become a creator and no longer a creation?"
My initial thoughts:
It depends on what level you want to use the terms. The concept you are questioning, IF it is to be related to Kether and Source, is a very abstract question of ultimate origins. The answer sounds something like...
Because the source of Creative Imagination itself is one and the same as the source and core of every atom of Creation.
You just can't get away from it. If I create The World's Best Comfy Chair, it is only because my genetics and my environment have worked together to spawn the desire, the intelligence, the imagination, the tools, and the will to do so.
That which manifests all things has manifested more manifestation through me, its manifestation.
Now, if you're speaking more commonly of "creator" as a person able to "create," then, yeah, I'd say we are all creators. But if you keep that "I did it/I can do it by myself" mentality as you progress up the Tree in your experience, the idea is that one finds that less and less actually originates with anything one normally considers one's "self," and unpleasant corrections in philosophy tend to occur.
...which is why I refer to the RHP as the "Real Headache Path" and the LHP as the "Larger Headache Path."
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@noctivagus said
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@Cliff Oth said
"from my notes:)"
Why can't you divide the creation from the source? Why can't you become a creator and no longer a creation?"Cause you already are the creator.
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@Frater LR said
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"Why can't you divide the creation from the source? Why can't you become a creator and no longer a creation?"My initial thoughts:
It depends on what level you want to use the terms. The concept you are questioning, IF it is to be related to Kether and Source, is a very abstract question of ultimate origins. The answer sounds something like...
Because the source of Creative Imagination itself is one and the same as the source and core of every atom of Creation.
You just can't get away from it. If I create The World's Best Comfy Chair, it is only because my genetics and my environment have worked together to spawn the desire, the intelligence, the imagination, the tools, and the will to do so.
That which manifests all things has manifested more manifestation through me, its manifestation.
Now, if you're speaking more commonly of "creator" as a person able to "create," then, yeah, I'd say we are all creators. But if you keep that "I did it/I can do it by myself" mentality as you progress up the Tree in your experience, the idea is that one finds that less and less actually originates with anything one normally considers one's "self," and unpleasant corrections in philosophy tend to occur.
...which is why I refer to the RHP as the "Real Headache Path" and the LHP as the "Larger Headache Path.""
Thank you Frater LR, now that I have looked a bit closer into all of this I realize what you are saying and correct me if once again I have it wrong . . . ultimately what we are trying to do here (the Great Work) is to know our Higher-Self, our Creator-Self per se?
If this is true could you briefly explain the Self-Deification theory that LHP's aspire to?
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@Jim Eshelman said
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It takes about three years for a preponderance of cells in the human body to replace themselves. One consequence of this is that it takes about 3 to 3 1/2 years of persistent, consistent application to a line of thought and practice for the body to reshape itself to a form consistent with a particular 'message.' Different systems make use of this in different ways. For example, in Temple of Thelema this is the minimum time period one can move from first initiation through a series of subsequence degrees to the Second Order (though few choose to do it in so quick a time). In O.T.O., taken at its best, one can bet to III° in about the same time, and this is a very significant threshold."This is a little off-topic, but you mean that literally, right? That the majority of the cells in a body have to be replaced while thinking and practicing a certain way to really advance? So, in theory, if science figures out a way to accelerate the cell replacement process or through some herbs, there is a possibility of doing this sooner.
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I meant it literally, yes.
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@mr tree said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"I meant it literally, yes."Literally, yes, but not the second part? What about accelerating cell replacement?"
That question can't be answered until the technology is available. You don't want me just to make up an answer, do you?
And you were right, your digression was off-topic. If it needs to go further, please start a new thread.