Ye shall gather store of women .
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I have been reading all these silly statements and I have come to the conclusion they are made by 14-15 year old boys with raging hormones and horrible pimples. I would like you to tell your mother what you think about women so you can get a good slap on your head and no t.v. for a month.
Seems some teenagers have taken the patriarch period really seriously and even in 2010 cannot let go.
Without a female there is no future, the present you owe to a female so do you the past.
If we are made in the image of the Creator, do you truly believe the main force that keeps the human race alive is a "helper" and a nothing?
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@Froclown said
"It means for a woman that she ought to make sure that the right man stocks her up and that under his umbrella she can achieve her Feminine WILL, which is undoubtedly to use her "charms" to manipulate this man into providing her with base material comforts the sort of shallow pointless crap that women like. Shiny stones, fancy garments, new shoes etc. To shaw her off and breed from her a son, that is a continuation of his father's achievements, so than she can wallow in her material things and play her stupid little games of blackmail and envy with her sisters.
Men should store up women, because it is a sign that a man is powerful enough to waste his excess on lower planes, on base material nonsense, like females and the crass things they live for.
Also women can be useful for sex magick, I mean even the best quality ink pen needs something to smear itself on, if it expects to manifest visible signs.
Of course there are ritual formula that avoid contamination with the lower planes all together, if one is so inclined, Certain forms of Eucharist for example. Though some of these deal with the 2 of wands, a card that might give some men apprehension."
The Sufi in me wants all hearts to ache with love til they bleed, but knows that you can't know this until you can surrender yourself to it, and that means throwing yourself to chance every time we meet someone closely.
You've been unlucky in love. I'm guessing you're single, perhaps recently.
It hurts, yes. I'm getting the sense you'd rather be celibate than get hurt again.
You'll get over it. It wont hurt less with time, but the scars will fade. Age teaches wisdom, and the hurt helps us to love. You won't find what you thought was love again until you can be less angry.
You can't receive the kisses of Nuit until you can love her with all your heart.
Compassion is the vice of Kings; who else can afford such an expensive luxury?
Veil not your vices in virtuous words; Every man and every woman is a star.
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@Solitarius said
"I've not read him, I'll give it a look if I can remember the name.
I have to admit I really like the Muslim world view when you divorce it from Religious dogma, they have a very earthy take on things."Oh absolutely, it's the Sufis that truly are sublime IMO; I see it as simply a synonym - they are merely other words for the same thing. Hearing an eloquent dervish waxing poetic about the ocean of divine love is something else; substitute your favourite goddesses of love and the comparisons of hermetic Qabalah are obvious!
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""You are in love with me, I shall make you perplexed.
Do not build much, for I intend to have you in ruins.
If you build two hundred houses in a manner that the bees do,
I shall make you as homeless as a fly.
If you are the mount Qaf in stability.
I shall make you whirl like a millstone."--- Rumi"
A beloved older soror of the BOTA turned me on to Rumi. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful...
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@JPF said
"From what I hear, Rumi had a rather extensive harem.
"Little is made of how Rumi lived his life, but he was wealthy, and had at least one son, so it's not beyond what would have been expected of him as a 13th Century scholar. I didn't know that.
A quote that I'm always reminded of is that Sufis are not in any way against owning things, but they are totally set against being owned by things.
@JPF said
"Or perhaps the good Froclown was providing a much needed counterpoint to this "flaccid" discussion."
The point is "Love" and it's representation on a mortal plane for many of us (I'm just saying most men are heterosexual), and how misogyny is supposed to represent some sort of counterpoint. Whether it be the actual case or not, that was the language of rejection and loss; someone who has suffered for the love of a women enough to forcibly objectify and categorise all women without thought. That's such an old Aeon concept, I think. It's so ardently angry, anti-Nuit, anti-Universe, I'm surprised that anyone could find it hard to see how anti-Self the attitude ultimately is.
Forget Will, until you find out what that is, some point in the future ("shall be"), **Love **is the Law, right here, right now.
"The Guesthouse
This being human is a guesthouse
Every morning a new arrival
A joy, a depression, a meanness
Some momentary awareness
Comes as an unexpected visitorWelcome and entertain them all!
Even if they're a crowd of sorrows
Who violently sweep your house
Empty of its furniture
Still treat each guest honorably
He may be cleaning you out
For some new delight!The dark thought, the shame, the malice
Meet them at the door laughing
And invite them in
Be grateful for whoever comes
Because each has been sent
As a guide from the beyond
~ Rumi (Translated by Coleman Barks)"Now tell me it's a good idea to hold on so tightly to hurt and anger!
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"The Guesthouse
This being human is a guesthouse
Every morning a new arrival
A joy, a depression, a meanness
Some momentary awareness
Comes as an unexpected visitorWelcome and entertain them all!
Even if they're a crowd of sorrows
Who violently sweep your house
Empty of its furniture
Still treat each guest honorably
He may be cleaning you out
For some new delight!The dark thought, the shame, the malice
Meet them at the door laughing
And invite them in
Be grateful for whoever comes
Because each has been sent
As a guide from the beyond
~ Rumi (Translated by Coleman Barks)"That is Beautiful, and true to the letter, Love under law, love under will
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@Solitarius said
"You've sold it to me.
Can you perhaps provide me with a short reading list? I'm not familiar with sufi philosophy and don't really know where to start."Idries Shah wrote "The Sufis", though I'd start with the poetry of Rumi. You can Google lots of it, or Ebay & Amazon have loads of books by him if you prefer, and they're ALL good. There's one called "Love poems" or "Love Poetry", something like that (I don't have it on hand) and I think it's a nicely focused collection. The wonderful thing about the Sufis is that the soul of that Beauty (I'm inclined to substitute the word "Tipareth") is all you need to learn about them!
I think I have a PDF of Shah's book round here somewhere if you'd like.
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@danica said
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@Seraph said
".... There's one called "Love poems" or "Love Poetry", something like that (I don't have it on hand) and I think it's a nicely focused collection. "www.4shared.com/document/y84kcEZB/24981522-Rumi-The-Book-of-Love.htm"
Exactly the one, thank you!
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Since I last saw this thread I have read quite a lot of Rumi, you really sold it to me, I have also introduced some of my friends and Brethren to his writings.
Life changing, my whole attitude towards love and pain is now a source of joy rather than suffering, or should I say, joyful suffering.
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The verse says:
"Ye shall gather goods and store of women and spices; ye shall wear rich jewels; ye shall exceed the nations of the earth in splendour & pride; but always in the love of me, and so shall ye come to my joy."We are being given guidance to be fruitful in our lives and endeavors so that we may come to the joy of Nuit. So that we can reach our individual potentials. It is not simply mundane collection of humanly affairs plagued by the duality of gender and its attendant issues, these are instructions to bear and enjoy the fruit of our lives.
"If this be not aright; if ye confound the space-marks, saying: They are one; or saying, They are many; if the ritual be not ever unto me: then expect the direful judgments of Ra Hoor Khuit!"
If we lose sight of our potential then the ritual (life) is no longer always in the love of Her.
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This guy did:
news.aol.co.uk/uk-news/story/cult-leader-had-sex-with-girl/1572707
and now he's in the dock. Centre of Pestilence indeed!
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@Alrah said
"Ye shall gather store of women.
If you take the time to try and understand each woman you meet, to mirror their cognition, to reflect upon their nature, to try and see a small part of the Goddess in every woman, and to store each woman in your memory, then the full essence of the Goddess will emerge.
If you only look at the image of woman that the media sells you then you'll never see her."
I always see the goddess.
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.