Ye shall gather store of women .
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93,
Too much stuff can be a problem. Some stuff is good to have.
I've had some very interesting conversations in the Middle East about religious freedom. We kept our voices low, but people there are nowhere near as uptight about this topic as we keep being told. Most actually enjoy private debate.
Pessimism was the disease of the 20th Century. Thelema is the cure. Our problem is, we want it all to change now, or at least soon. But Thelema puts history in the context of aeons, not years. I don't think we give that notion much thought, especially if we're focused on the widescreen TV and such. I ditched my TV some years ago. It was a small move in the direction of not being so controlled. Now, if I can kick my addiction to online news.....
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@Edward Mason said
"93,
Too much stuff can be a problem. Some stuff is good to have.
I've had some very interesting conversations in the Middle East about religious freedom. We kept our voices low, but people there are nowhere near as uptight about this topic as we keep being told. Most actually enjoy private debate.
Pessimism was the disease of the 20th Century. Thelema is the cure. Our problem is, we want it all to change now, or at least soon. But Thelema puts history in the context of aeons, not years. I don't think we give that notion much thought, especially if we're focused on the widescreen TV and such. I ditched my TV some years ago. It was a small move in the direction of not being so controlled. Now, if I can kick my addiction to online news.....
93 93/93,
Edward"93
I'll go with you on both those.
Having been in the middle east myself I found that people out there are pretty normal in general, there are still dick-heads, and people who will try to kill you for a few dollars, but there are also cool people.I can well remember when I was posted in Basrah, me and my Corporal spent a lot of time fishing in the shat-al-arab canal and we used to chat to a couple of Iraqi blokes who were working on site, because we were in civilian clothing and unarmed a lot of the time they didn't treat us like Soldiers, but like humans, and we used to chat with them about all sorts of things, really cool people, and they used to get fishing bait for us when they went out because we were more or less stuck on the base.
I know what you mean about pessimism, I'm prone to it myself, that's why I don't watch a lot of TV, A friend of mine comes from Hungary and he says he's much happier in England because he doesn't have a clue what's going on in the world as he doesn't watch the news or scan headlines as he would in his native language.
For myself I never had a TV as I hate the damned things, I rarely listen to radio either.93 93/93
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@Froclown said
"Quoth the humanist: It upsets me to see people fighting over race and gender, we must deny that race and gender exist, we are all the same. Please stop being mean, please stop slinging mud and insults, it does so upset poor little me, who is weak and frail and can not defend myself. Oh please stop being aggressive and competitive, it reminds me of my own frailty and unworthiness to live."
In a way, you are right: there is a type of human being whose frailty is exposed by any interaction with a stronger will. Yet, at the same time, there is a healthy portion of humanity ready to accept their True Wills as such, needing only a fitting example to inform them of their capacities.
"Love all, lest there be a King concealed." --not, "Hate all, until they prove themselves a King."
The "stamp down the wretched" attitude is something I cannot argue or disprove; nor would I try to. Yet, on the other hand, I am conscious of a certain kind of strength which needs no proof to substantiate its authority. The truly righteous man has no need to exert his authority over the weaker members of his species, as if to prove himself the master. Such is weakness.
Hence: "Argue not..."
As to the ideal man: such are the Gods and Goddesses of old. It is by the invocation of these that we attain to the Highest: the meeting of macro- and microcosm. What matters it if these ideals exist or do not exist? What need for argument and proof? The Higher type of Mankind Knows, Wills, Dares, and keeps Silent.
Liber AL is by no means a manifesto of tyranny. Even the act of cruelty should be refined by the true silence of strength.
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Okay, to get back to the Topic of this particular thread...
How many men trying to prove the superiority of their testosterone, who claim know the "truth" about the nature of both sexes have ever at any point acquired a "store of women" ? Let alone have a healthy relationship with one... Do something more than grudge the opposite sex because of your inability to attract any... Did you knock up the woman you are with to make sure she wouldn't go anywhere else or at least give her a good STD to be ashamed about? OR perhaps you got a virgin or something near to that, then watch every move she makes so she never knows anything more than your short grunting spasm that you call sex? Or do you spend your time at strip clubs or escort services? Has the porn habit been getting violent lately? DO you spend time justifying you naughty little habits and, in turn, project YOUR insecurities onto others?
Yes, I agree generalizations are useful, but make sure those generalizations are well founded... I mean geeze does no one realize that they were making Barbie dolls into the 90s that said things like, "Math is hard..." and only talked about shopping and boys? Have you ever watched a Disney film or any film where the Princess is only important when she is rescued by the Prince? Ever notice that advertisements for cleaning product are geared towards women? I don;t know of any particular genetic trait that makes women better at tidiness than men. Maybe your vision is so distorted because you are so sexually pathetic that you need to take out your "anger" on "moody" women. BTW maybe if we allowed women to be conditioned with role options other than house wife into society women would not portray such "moodiness."
I mean COME ON you pathetic losers who could not get sex without some sort of bribe and pay attention you sound like stupid a*oles vomiting out the SH you have been spoon fed. Maybe I should come along and take "your" women into my harem, at least they would get shagged the right way and would no longer be so "moody." And when you come to reclaim your now "frenzied" and "wild" women they will turn on you and rip you limb from limb in their mad hysteria because you have tried to force a veil of modesty and self-loathing upon their heads.
All the while I will be drunken and well sexed as usual, and then their will be more little versions of me in the future (smart and good looking with an excellent sense of humor).
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I have been reading all these silly statements and I have come to the conclusion they are made by 14-15 year old boys with raging hormones and horrible pimples. I would like you to tell your mother what you think about women so you can get a good slap on your head and no t.v. for a month.
Seems some teenagers have taken the patriarch period really seriously and even in 2010 cannot let go.
Without a female there is no future, the present you owe to a female so do you the past.
If we are made in the image of the Creator, do you truly believe the main force that keeps the human race alive is a "helper" and a nothing?
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@Froclown said
"It means for a woman that she ought to make sure that the right man stocks her up and that under his umbrella she can achieve her Feminine WILL, which is undoubtedly to use her "charms" to manipulate this man into providing her with base material comforts the sort of shallow pointless crap that women like. Shiny stones, fancy garments, new shoes etc. To shaw her off and breed from her a son, that is a continuation of his father's achievements, so than she can wallow in her material things and play her stupid little games of blackmail and envy with her sisters.
Men should store up women, because it is a sign that a man is powerful enough to waste his excess on lower planes, on base material nonsense, like females and the crass things they live for.
Also women can be useful for sex magick, I mean even the best quality ink pen needs something to smear itself on, if it expects to manifest visible signs.
Of course there are ritual formula that avoid contamination with the lower planes all together, if one is so inclined, Certain forms of Eucharist for example. Though some of these deal with the 2 of wands, a card that might give some men apprehension."
The Sufi in me wants all hearts to ache with love til they bleed, but knows that you can't know this until you can surrender yourself to it, and that means throwing yourself to chance every time we meet someone closely.
You've been unlucky in love. I'm guessing you're single, perhaps recently.
It hurts, yes. I'm getting the sense you'd rather be celibate than get hurt again.
You'll get over it. It wont hurt less with time, but the scars will fade. Age teaches wisdom, and the hurt helps us to love. You won't find what you thought was love again until you can be less angry.
You can't receive the kisses of Nuit until you can love her with all your heart.
Compassion is the vice of Kings; who else can afford such an expensive luxury?
Veil not your vices in virtuous words; Every man and every woman is a star.
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@Solitarius said
"I've not read him, I'll give it a look if I can remember the name.
I have to admit I really like the Muslim world view when you divorce it from Religious dogma, they have a very earthy take on things."Oh absolutely, it's the Sufis that truly are sublime IMO; I see it as simply a synonym - they are merely other words for the same thing. Hearing an eloquent dervish waxing poetic about the ocean of divine love is something else; substitute your favourite goddesses of love and the comparisons of hermetic Qabalah are obvious!
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""You are in love with me, I shall make you perplexed.
Do not build much, for I intend to have you in ruins.
If you build two hundred houses in a manner that the bees do,
I shall make you as homeless as a fly.
If you are the mount Qaf in stability.
I shall make you whirl like a millstone."--- Rumi"
A beloved older soror of the BOTA turned me on to Rumi. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful...
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@JPF said
"From what I hear, Rumi had a rather extensive harem.
"Little is made of how Rumi lived his life, but he was wealthy, and had at least one son, so it's not beyond what would have been expected of him as a 13th Century scholar. I didn't know that.
A quote that I'm always reminded of is that Sufis are not in any way against owning things, but they are totally set against being owned by things.
@JPF said
"Or perhaps the good Froclown was providing a much needed counterpoint to this "flaccid" discussion."
The point is "Love" and it's representation on a mortal plane for many of us (I'm just saying most men are heterosexual), and how misogyny is supposed to represent some sort of counterpoint. Whether it be the actual case or not, that was the language of rejection and loss; someone who has suffered for the love of a women enough to forcibly objectify and categorise all women without thought. That's such an old Aeon concept, I think. It's so ardently angry, anti-Nuit, anti-Universe, I'm surprised that anyone could find it hard to see how anti-Self the attitude ultimately is.
Forget Will, until you find out what that is, some point in the future ("shall be"), **Love **is the Law, right here, right now.
"The Guesthouse
This being human is a guesthouse
Every morning a new arrival
A joy, a depression, a meanness
Some momentary awareness
Comes as an unexpected visitorWelcome and entertain them all!
Even if they're a crowd of sorrows
Who violently sweep your house
Empty of its furniture
Still treat each guest honorably
He may be cleaning you out
For some new delight!The dark thought, the shame, the malice
Meet them at the door laughing
And invite them in
Be grateful for whoever comes
Because each has been sent
As a guide from the beyond
~ Rumi (Translated by Coleman Barks)"Now tell me it's a good idea to hold on so tightly to hurt and anger!
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"The Guesthouse
This being human is a guesthouse
Every morning a new arrival
A joy, a depression, a meanness
Some momentary awareness
Comes as an unexpected visitorWelcome and entertain them all!
Even if they're a crowd of sorrows
Who violently sweep your house
Empty of its furniture
Still treat each guest honorably
He may be cleaning you out
For some new delight!The dark thought, the shame, the malice
Meet them at the door laughing
And invite them in
Be grateful for whoever comes
Because each has been sent
As a guide from the beyond
~ Rumi (Translated by Coleman Barks)"That is Beautiful, and true to the letter, Love under law, love under will
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@Solitarius said
"You've sold it to me.
Can you perhaps provide me with a short reading list? I'm not familiar with sufi philosophy and don't really know where to start."Idries Shah wrote "The Sufis", though I'd start with the poetry of Rumi. You can Google lots of it, or Ebay & Amazon have loads of books by him if you prefer, and they're ALL good. There's one called "Love poems" or "Love Poetry", something like that (I don't have it on hand) and I think it's a nicely focused collection. The wonderful thing about the Sufis is that the soul of that Beauty (I'm inclined to substitute the word "Tipareth") is all you need to learn about them!
I think I have a PDF of Shah's book round here somewhere if you'd like.
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@Seraph said
".... There's one called "Love poems" or "Love Poetry", something like that (I don't have it on hand) and I think it's a nicely focused collection. "www.4shared.com/document/y84kcEZB/24981522-Rumi-The-Book-of-Love.htm"
Exactly the one, thank you!
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Since I last saw this thread I have read quite a lot of Rumi, you really sold it to me, I have also introduced some of my friends and Brethren to his writings.
Life changing, my whole attitude towards love and pain is now a source of joy rather than suffering, or should I say, joyful suffering.
Thank you.
