illegal drugs and magick

pixie_pseuicide

I forgot to mention that in "practise" of Magick i dont really use it unless i'm already smoking it, however... the images i can draw whilst being a little high are far superior to those i draw sober.. i've tried my hand at letting "something" guide my hand before, and maybe its just me, but it doesnt seem to work without it... maybe due to my level of relaxation, i havnt put much thought into it, as i started with amazing results then just couldnt seem to get it back

Froclown

Technically the Magickal and alchemical use of drugs is as a "doping agent"

When you purify a metal from an ore, sometimes you dope the alloy with a chemical impurity, and that impurity will chemically react with related impurity in the ore or alloy, thus you can when the impure agent is removed it removes the original impurity along with it.

Thus is analogous to the use of drugs in magick, Julius Evola wrote a few pieces on the Alchemical use of drugs. This technique is what attracted Crowley and Bennett to the use of drugs in the first place, which Crowley writes in the psychology of Hashish that after trying agents such as cocaine and ether, he found the applicable agent he was looking for in Hashish.

So the effects of the drug are not what is traditionally taken as the purpose of them, rather the drug flushes out these impurities that arise in the mind as visions, feelings, distortions, or spirits of impure nature, and when the drug is eliminated it takes with it some of the impurities that it flushed out through it's duration of effect on the mind/soul.

pixie_pseuicide

actually i can imagine that aiding a lot better, i havnt had hash in a long time....weed helps to highlight where my energy or stimulation is, and aids in me "laxing" the rest so as to not distract from it.... Hash tends to make girls quite horny (i've had friends in the past be picky on what was in what joint because of this and how it makes them a bit more suggestive) The high is quite different from weed, weed i find more of a "good time" drug as it affects the mind moreso than hash does, however there is nothing like the body-stone hash can put on you...

In my earlier days of smoking (weed hash and oil) i used to trace "the stone" whilst just sitting to myself...playing with it because whilst you cant control how deep the stone is (without ramming in another, or having what i call "growin weed" where the high gets stronger as it lingers) you CAN however direct the tingles grins (my opinion is them girls were just horny anyways LOL)

Now i'm itching to try drawing with Hash...the "bounce" is far stronger (as its a body high) so maybe the "signal" i'm picking up would be also...hmmmmm rubs chin now i have to see for myself what is better for it LOL

"So the effects of the drug are not what is traditionally taken as the purpose of them, rather the drug flushes out these impurities that arise in the mind as visions, feelings, distortions, or spirits of impure nature, and when the drug is eliminated it takes with it some of the impurities that it flushed out through it's duration of effect on the mind/soul."

Theres an old stoner saying ... what you learn high, you have to be high to remember ... maybe this applies.

izzy_suicide

i simply have to say it at the risk of causing offence to everyone who's posted,but i'll assume everyone here has a well functioning sense of humour.

with all this time spent reading so many books on other peoples ideas,where do you folks ever have chance to formulate your own? cause frankly people,i aint really seen much spark from anyone.

it seems all anyone wants to do is quote directly from books they've read,take a very "adult and educated" approach to answering the question all the while side stepping and real involvement they may or may not have had.(to those who actually have come out with personal experience's as opposed to trying to create the pro-con arguement,disreguard this entire post)

now,i'm not asking for a swapping of "dude...this one time i was sooooo high..." stories,and i've heard these re-hashings of "studies" conducted by everyone from timmy leary to my friend hamish "the worlds last true hippie". none of it means squat if nobody actually can say "i used this and had this effect....it was (insert answer here)".

i realize we'ld all like to be taken VERY seriously as practisioners of the magickal arts,and we all love sharing our vast knowledge learned from things someone else has done, but lets be honest, there is no book written on any subject that can replace first hand experience on the matter.

i've been through timmy learys endless writings on lsd and its great spirtual and human meaning,and had enough "just say no" lectures from people with no actual first hand experience to last me pretty much right up untill my ears stop working in the final throes of death.

all this over-thinking and intellectualizing is a fast path to absolutely nowhere.
like a very insightfull bumper sticker says...words-action=crap,and i'll bet the guy who wrote that didnt sit around backing it up with 45 scientific sources lol

Mephisto

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Mephisto

@Alrah said

"Old stoners also advise you to learn to love the notepad, and keep a pencil about your person at all times. "

There are whole periods of my life I would not remember, were it not for my devotion to the keeping of a journal.

Vlad

I think marijuana is good for anything.

redd fezz

Woah, was raised a Jehovah's Witness myself... til I moved out at 15. Never really did believe that stuff except when I was very little. I credit that upbringing with my search for Truth (JWs will get that pun).

Vlad

@Froclown said

"Dissociative anesthetics DXM, Ketamine, PCP, these I do not think have any benefit to the magician, other than as agents of chrononzion."
I think DXM is quite good.

",the use of mineral drugs was even mentioned and denounced in the magick of Abramelin."
What's mineral drug? Chemically produced? Sorry my english

Everybody must get s s ssss sstoooooooooooooooned

Mephisto

@Vlad said

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@Froclown said
"Dissociative anesthetics DXM, Ketamine, PCP, these I do not think have any benefit to the magician, other than as agents of chrononzion."
I think DXM is quite good.

",the use of mineral drugs was even mentioned and denounced in the magick of Abramelin."
What's mineral drug? Chemically produced? Sorry my english

Everybody must get s s ssss sstoooooooooooooooned"

Thank you for sharing.

Vlad

The stoned part was a joke. But me mentioning the DXM was in a way to point out that I think people are overanalyzing things here a bit. I haven't used it many times, but the times I've used it have been pleasant. Intelligently used it can help depression... I'm not speaking only of my own experience... Of course I may be missing something.

Drugs are not the ends, its the means. Its a means.