True Will/Sexuality
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@Takamba said
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@SerpentSeed123 said
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@Takamba said
"OCD, ADHD, and slew of other letters are thrown around as convenience in the psychiatric world because big pharma pays the bills on the academic level. And if your intent is to be a man of letters, you need those pills to support you.Yes. I'm highly suspect of your diagnosis. For one thing, it shows a failure to succeed in the first part of Crowley's big blue opus variously known as Magick. The first part is called mysticism and it teaches you to sit still and take control of yourself. My understanding of someone who is diagnosed with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is that they can't have a will of their own. If you truly believe that, you're in the wrong playground me thinks."
I've only been into 'Spirituality/Thelema' since November so I've got alot to do. What do YOU suggest I should do then ? Stop trying to discover my goal, my path, my will ?"
What little I know about you will get in the way. I'm not medically trained so I can't tell you what to do about your prescription but I personally would prefer you suspect your doctor is wrong and see what you can do about it. I recommend you practice sitting still, silent, and controlling your self. I recommend you practice controlling your thoughts and actions with thoughts and actions (fight fire with fire) and not with pills. I recommend you read and do the practices in Jim's "The Mystical and Magical System of the A .'. A .'." book because even though I've never read it I'm convinced it has everything you need, and also I recommend Israel Regardie's "One Year Manual" because I have read it and it has everything too.
I recommend Crowley's Liber ABA (Magick : Book Four) because it does have everything. Do the exercises. Make this your obsession. Don't argue about the words, take Crowley on Crowley's terms. In other words, there are no short cuts."
See, that's the reply I've been waiting for! At long last! I'll try it out. See what happens!
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PS. I bought Abrahadabra: Understanding Aleister Crowley's Thelemic Magick and that'll be coming tomorrow, any opinions on that text?
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@SerpentSeed123 said
"PS. I bought Abrahadabra: Understanding Aleister Crowley's Thelemic Magick and that'll be coming tomorrow, any opinions on that text?"
It's a very good primer on the subject. I certainly recommend it for dumbing down Thelema, but make no mistake that your mind and imagination and soul will get along much further when you read Crowley's words.
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@SerpentSeed123 said
"PS. I bought Abrahadabra: Understanding Aleister Crowley's Thelemic Magick and that'll be coming tomorrow, any opinions on that text?"
I haven't seen the book. However, I have zero respect for anything I've ever seen from the author. (Admittedly, what I've seen may not be representative of his material overall.)
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Crowley himself is quite confusing, for me anyway, so I figured that this book would suit my needs for this time. I'll quote the Bible in which Paul talks about milk and meat, meat being the hard doctrine to digest, and the milk being the easy, that's where I am at the moment with Crowley/Thelema
PS. Thanks for the head's up Jim! I'll message you or something once I've read it and tell you what I thought. It seems like a beginners guide, so I know it's not going to be too complex but I hope it isn't too watered down.
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@Takamba said
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@SerpentSeed123 said
"^ I've done both and like I said I'm really unsure
Would Yoga or anything that expands my consciousness help?"Maybe it would less confusing if you just decided you enjoy both."
I love people,
I love happy people, kind people
Healthy people, energetic people.I would not restrict my love to say,
I am hetro
Or homo
Or bi.Love is the Law
And if you love one fella, and what ever charateistics he brought to your relationship.....you are blessed.And if you love some lady, and what ever she brought to the relationship, you are blessed.
And if you love whole football team, or rock band, or horde of demons, you are blessed, because you love and are loved in return.
By first mastering yourself, and giving yourself love, receiving your love and being in love, you will then be better able to see who you want to love outside of yourself.
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@Veronica said
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@Takamba said
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@SerpentSeed123 said
"^ I've done both and like I said I'm really unsure Would Yoga or anything that expands my consciousness help?"Maybe it would less confusing if you just decided you enjoy both."
I love people,
I love happy people, kind people
Healthy people, energetic people.I would not restrict my love to say,
I am hetro
Or homo
Or bi.Love is the Law
And if you love one fella, and what ever charateistics he brought to your relationship.....you are blessed.And if you love some lady, and what ever she brought to the relationship, you are blessed.
And if you love whole football team, or rock band, or horde of demons, you are blessed, because you love and are loved in return.
By first mastering yourself, and giving yourself love, receiving your love and being in love, you will then be better able to see who you want to love outside of yourself."
Good advice
I'm also Pisces, and according to most sources, our sexuality and life is mainly fantasy-driven, which really makes sense to me when I look back on those I've been with; it's been driven by some fantasy I had in my head at that time, and not necessarily the person's looks, or gender. I'm a complicated bugger! -
long time no see, dear Stars of the Temple
glad to see you all here and kickin'!@SerpentSeed123 said
"Good advice
I'm also Pisces, and according to most sources, our sexuality and life is mainly fantasy-driven, which really makes sense to me when I look back on those I've been with; it's been driven by some fantasy I had in my head at that time, and not necessarily the person's looks, or gender. I'm a complicated bugger!"to stir this pot a bit more: are you sure you are Pisces, Serpent?
you may find this forum interesting: solunars.net/index.php -
I've been thinking about you!
Hope you had a beautiful and fun birthday party the other day.
I got to celebrate my sons 11 th the other day.
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@Veronica said
"I've been thinking about you!
Hope you had a beautiful and fun birthday party the other day.
I got to celebrate my sons 11 th the other day.
You have been missed here."thanks, Veronica!
the childern's parties are always fun - especially for the children (where's that head upside-down smiley when you need it?!)
may your son have a joyous year! -
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
@Jim Eshelman said
"I very strongly recommend the following book, as the best thing I've ever found on the subject of discovering your True Will (though not at all under that language): Let Your Life Speak by Parker J. Palmer.""
After reading what was quoted and seeing I was able to get it for under $8 with shipping, I couldn't pass this one up. This work seems so fantastically concise, like another great book to grow old with and sink in repeated readings.
Thank you for sharing your strong recommendations, Jim!
EDIT: I thought I would note that this book was written only 13 years ago, and the author still seems to be alive and well today, by my measure; a rare property, generally speaking, for anything I would deem worthy of further study.
Love is the law, love under will.
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@SerpentSeed123 said
"I'm a newbie to Thelema [since November] and I'm really fascinated about discovering my True Will. I'm also curious about freeing the desires of my subconscious mind from the control of my conscious mind *.
How would one go about discovering their True Will? What books would you suggest I buy to start out with? I'm getting the Book of the Law obviously, what else?
93/93"
The answer, I'm afraid, is very simple: "F-ck and be f-cked!" (Forgive the censor.)
Ovid's "Ars Amatoria" is an excellent primer on the subject.
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Or, as he would say it: "To be loved, be lovable."
(I would quote the passage, at length, in the original Latin, but I'm afraid my copy of the work--and my brains--are half a planet away. So good luck. And use protection!)
Edit the second:
Okay, okay, I'm really having to dig deep here, as I have to copy-and-paste the translated Latin text on a Greek computer, but here's another gem I found online:
"Whether they give or refuse, it delights women just the same to have been asked. "
You should really check out the rest of the book. It was so good it got him banished from the Roman Empire. (Augustus was really such a prude! Probably a Virgo. [No offence, Jim.
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I was reading through this discussion and kept waiting for sex magick to come up. Normally I would try to pontificate here, but I am very new to my research in sex magick and it seems to have all kinds of different definitions and approach.
From the sexual enlightenment of tantra to the use of sexual energy (orgasm) in pursuit of non-sexual outcomes.
I would like to hear how folks on this forum would weigh in on the interplay of sex magick and the true will.
Any takers?
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@Dendron said
"I was reading through this discussion and kept waiting for sex magick to come up. Normally I would try to pontificate here, but I am very new to my research in sex magick and it seems to have all kinds of different definitions and approach.
From the sexual enlightenment of tantra to the use of sexual energy (orgasm) in pursuit of non-sexual outcomes.
I would like to hear how folks on this forum would weigh in on the interplay of sex magick and the true will.
Any takers?"
That's an entirely different topic - not at all responsive to the original post. Please start a new thread if you'd like to start a new topic.
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It's been ages since I last came on here ** and I just wanna thank all of you for your comments.
Looking back at some of this I seemed pretty irrational about the whole subject
I decided to bite the bullet and come out as Bisexual; which I did last month [got a bit of shit for it from some people, including my father] but to be honest, I'm becoming indifferent to people's reactions, I couldn't care a less.Now I'm learning to go with whats going on in the moment and not attaching much to it.
Oh, Frater Potater, your comments we're really informative, thanks for posting
Dendron, I'm only starting out, and Sex Magick [whilst appealing] it's a no go subject for me at the moment, I'd rather learn to swim before I jump into the deep end
Danica, I'm a Pisces, no doubt about it. Born 1st March 1992
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@SerpentSeed123 said
"Danica, I'm a Pisces, no doubt about it. Born 1st March 1992
"Dead in the middle of Aquarius - if one means the real zodiac. Reference:
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Blimey - Thanks Jim! Most of the qualities actually match me - I guess I don't need my Astrology For Dummies anymore
Here's what caught my eye:
- Interest in occult and recondite subjects.
- Agnostic, ยNatural Mysticism.ย
- Very musical (mostly vocal).
- Can judge others and themselves dispassionately.
- Sense of humor ยoff the beaten track.ย Cynical at times.
- Strong opinions freely expressed.
- Behavior often seems unconventional but within certain personal bounds.
- Often seems to undermine relationships subconsciously.
- Donยt feel they have anything for which to apologize.
- Drawn to ยgroupย situations, but not ยjoinersย except to fulfill a purpose. Socializes selectively.
- Seems ยlow keyย if not tired.
- Sensitive, easily hurt, can be terribly touchy (but often wonยt express the hurt). ย Worriers: fear the worst in a strenuous situation. Potentially high anxiety level.
- Fear of dying before accomplishing what they feel they should.
Spot on!
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- Fear of dying before accomplishing what they feel they should.*
I am an Aquarius too, but this one trait seems way off base, for me at a least. Does it truly resonate with you?
Any ideas on the source of this concept, I have not come across it myself in my limited readings?
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@Veronica said
"* Fear of dying before accomplishing what they feel they should.*
I am an Aquarius too, but this one trait seems way off base, for me at a least. "
you have the Sun angular - strong deep inner sense of own immortality.
and regarding the mentioned trait in Solar Aquarian - I see it also in those around me with close Sun-Uranus 'hard' aspects
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@Veronica said
"* Fear of dying before accomplishing what they feel they should.*
I am an Aquarius too, but this one trait seems way off base, for me at a least. Does it truly resonate with you?"
For me anyhow; not regularly and rarely but it does sometimes crop up in my mind.