61, 8, 80 and 418
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Oh I don't know... doodles can tell you a lot about someone. And who knows what was in Crowley's mind when he did the doodle? I am just looking at the book in its own context, manuscript, doodles and all. I only referred to the doodle to support a point that there might be a musical "aspect" to the book, particularly as the original manuscript appears to be significant from the implication of the text. If I were to point out that 718Hz is the note F and the line drawn through the letters in the Book cuts through FA (F is Fa in the key of C), am I relying on a doodle again?
(Re "aspect", I am learning that this text is like some others I have read where there is not one definitive way of interpreting it, rather it can be "resolved" in multiple aspects, each a truth in its own right.)
Going back to the theme of recurring numbers, particularly 28, 11 and 69:
I added the "riddle" to itself and there again are the numbers 28, 11 and 69, sharing the same diagonal (see attachment): 28 and 11 are there twice, A + R + B + O + K + M + G + 2 = 69 is also there twice. 93 is there in a separate space. The "pivot" is AA (regeneration?)
If you flip the whole thing through ninety degrees you get a line and a mark similar to those in BOTL.
If 93 is the circle with the cross and the word introduced by NUIT, then that supports my thinking that Nuit and the Earth (represented in astronomy as a circle squared) are the same thing.
An interesting coincidence, if nothing else, I thought.
But quite why 69 is playing such a part when there is no mention of it in the book is puzzling me. Does anyone have any ideas?
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@justin said
"Oh I don't know... doodles can tell you a lot about someone. And who knows what was in Crowley's mind when he did the doodle?"
That's actually the point: It's not a matter of what was in AC's mind but, rather, the intention of the being who was dictating content to him. I completely agree with you about these doodles being reflective of what was in AC's mind - at some point in time (which I think was probably about three years later). For that reason, I wouldn't want to confuse them with Liber L. level content.
"If I were to point out that 718Hz is the note F and the line drawn through the letters in the Book cuts through FA (F is Fa in the key of C), am I relying on a doodle again?"
No, because both of those factors are specific contents of the dictation. Even the line is directly referenced by, and integrated into the text by, specifically dictated content. (BTW, the note F corresponds to the color yellow-green and the Hebrew letter Yod, "The Consciousness of Will.")
"(Re "aspect", I am learning that this text is like some others I have read where there is not one definitive way of interpreting it, rather it can be "resolved" in multiple aspects, each a truth in its own right.) "
I'm only seeking to distinguish the authentic Liber L. text from graffiti scribbled on it later.
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I would like to remind Justin that for about four years after it was dictated, Crowley treated Liber L as if it were junk to be stored haphazardly somewhere behind some painting supplies. It wasn't until he and Jones went into the supply room looking for some brushes that Jones found the nearly forgotten manuscript. So if Jim is correct that these doodles are about 3 years post the reception of the Law, this really suggests that Crowley was just looking for scrap paper to doodle on - it just happens that it is "the Most Sacred Text of the Age" (as Swamiji puts it).
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Thanks for supplementing that... I forgot to state "the obvious" (to me)
It was eventually found behind skis that he and Vicky were looking for in June 1909. Only then did he start to take it seriously (because of the * circumstances of the rediscovery.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Thanks for supplementing that... I forgot to state "the obvious" (to me)
It was eventually found behind skis that he and Vicky were looking for in June 1909. Only then did he start to take it seriously (because of the * circumstances of the rediscovery."
Don't ask me why I've always thought it was he and Cecil Jones looking for paint brushes.
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@justin said
"But quite why 69 is playing such a part when there is no mention of it in the book is puzzling me. Does anyone have any ideas?"
Ideas? Sure.
69 is the the sigil of Cancer, ATU VII.
69 also conveys one of the MOST POWERFUL FORMULAS I know of!!!
IT IS THE HOLY HEXAGRAM!
See also the Book of Lies Chap. 69: The Way to Succeed and the Way to Suck Eggs!
An eloquent and succinct summation of any and all things related to our glorious Art!
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Thanks guys for the context of the paint brushes and the elucidation of 69. I like Crowley's Chapter 69 and the word play... Thanks for that...
So I am probably teaching you to suck eggs, but there might be those who are unaware of this:
I went on with my findings and overlaid the line I got from the matrix of adding equation to itself and got this (see attachment).
There are four instances of 93. Two are attached to 28s on the "line", the lower touches the "i" in the manuscript. The upper is on the "s": S + I = 19 + 9 = 28. The next is on a k: K=11. The final is on the circle squared which can be drawn as shown as a "circle squared in its failure": 69...
So the numbers repeat.
An amazing property of the matrix, is that if you take the rows with just numbers and add the numbers (not the letter-number combinations but just as Excel does it) within them, they all end in 3:
10 rows are... blank (ie just the numbers in the equation): 143, 4:183, 6:203, 3:173, 8:223, 2:163, 4:183, 3:173, 24:383, 89:1033.Any thoughts?
If you select all the cells you get a total of 2860, 99 numbers and an average of 28.8888888... 99 is 9 x 11, 88 is 8 x 11, so again the same 2-8, 1-1, 6-9 is showing up.
All quite unexpected, considering it is my DOB as well and JUSTIN is 93...
Coincidence is great and fun! I wonder what Crowley would make of it?
Again, sorry for repeating things that are out there already...
93!
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@Frater 639 said
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@justin said
"So I am probably teaching you to suck eggs, but there might be those who are unaware of this:"No, but I'm definitely learning a lot about Justin = 93!
I actually get 145..."
This must be an in-joke... What's 145? In Hebrew it can be "excrement", which I can go along with... In English East(45) or(33) West(67)? Neither, I suppose. I was born pretty much on the meridian, 38 minutes west.
One last set of 28s, 11s and 69s and other coincidences, promise. Then the off-switch is pressed.
It's just a bit of fun, really... If you do a matrix of 4638, 4x4, only, guess what: 28s, 11s and 69s! You can also spell Justin out and it creates a lovely "J" to boot. My surname can be represented in there, my father's date of birth is in there... 16 numbers, four-square, mystic, the number of a man... etc etc Even a 418 eeked out from the top left.
Thanks for bearing with! Off-switch pressed.
J
93!
PS: 28+11+69=108. It is 108 years since BOTL was dictated!
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But what does it mean?
What does it* mean *that many others have also presented such self-referential coincidences? Do you realize you're probably the third to post such things to this forum during just this calendar year alone?
If you don't mind me* expounding *on it myself - if that's not some threat to any felt uniqueness on your part - I'd say that this riddle is placed in the text precisely so that each individual will try their hand at it. The temptation is simply too great. The desire to be "the One" is inherently a part of us.
In this case of this riddle, the question we bring to it is, "Am I the child?" along with the intense desire to be such a person in our own universe of experience and meaning. And as each person comes to it with that question and burning desire, the answer* always *seems to be, "You are the Child! Look at the coincidences!" They seem to be there for each individual who attempts it, but in some different combination or using some different technique unique to the individual.
Personally, I no longer look for "the Child."
But I welcome "the Children" as each appears as the Golden Hero of their own personal universe of experience and meaning - the hero of their own life's story.
In my view, I ask - since you are the Child of your own universe of experience and meaning - since you ARE that important thing in your own world - what will you do to affect the unique worlds of experience of others? How does this book apply to your universe? How will you implement this strange and newly discovered ability of Mind? How might the seeming prophecies and warnings apply to the world* you are attempting to create? And with whom*?
But you don't have to listen to me... I'm just a fellow Child and expounder...
"1. Had! The manifestation of Nuit.
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The unveiling of the company of heaven.
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Every man and every woman is a star.
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Every number is infinite; there is no difference.
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Continuing...
If one is going to take the self-referential route to "solve" this riddle, then I have to think that the above analysis is true. This is what happens. This seems to be what people experience with attempts to solve this riddle. On this forum alone, there are what...? at least 3 attempts a year that use coincidences of self-reference as a solution? - each one entirely convinced through their own indescribable experience of these phenomena that the solution to the riddle involves their own personal information.
If one does not take the self-referential route to solving the riddle, then what are the options? What is expected? Will it be the breaking of some code so that the riddle ends up saying something like, "Eat more Ovaltine"? If it's a code, what does it have the potential to say?
It would either confirm the Law in some way, or it would contradict it.
If it contradicts the Law, then it must be thrown away as an untrue solution. What means would one have of confirming it if it contradicted the very text from which it was taken?
If it confirms the Law, through the revelation of some seemingly new worthy meditation or principle, then what could it contain that was not already found in the Law? Again, if the Law itself could not confirm it, what would be the value of the solution? In this case, because any solution could not contain meditations or principles not found in the Law, the emphasis would point once again away from any discovered solution itself and point toward the significance of the person who solved it. Yet again, there are many who have had incredible experiences of discovering possible meditations and principles in the riddle that confirm that which is already found in the Law.
So, in my analysis, at least, the importance of the riddle is the experience - the phenomena - which it generates for the individual who sincerely determines to tackle it.
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Here is your solution:
AKJDKJFAHA AAJDHFKLAHSDJFH ZA fjb dasfhjagdsfkjga alJADHJSGF DLAFKJHD KJASHFUIEWJEAABDUSGFUBAE ;FKJDAKJAISJEFIJ A;KIJADISHF ;KJAHFGKLJAD IFJAD; BHFHEALIDJF ;AIJDHF ;UHhF;';AKDNJF B/q;le z/klxjc
LKNX /nkljfnJBvh b;ckjvnuebnueb/adbkjbnadlfhb;akjfhoi;ajvklzxjckln,mxnv'dknsklnbj kTHAT IS ALL GIBBERISH!
Yeah, I hear you yelling that (a clear indication I am insane).
While trying to see what I am saying (Have you gotten the puns yet?).
The rytheme, thought, the WORD
What I HEARD... Fingers clapping, tapping, across a keyboard making words float on a screen.Have you yet recognized how amazing the process of making a post on this forum is?
To anything, really... As I have a tendency to generally speak with particulars.Bah! I have been away,
In the middle of the Ocean
Floating on a Lotus flower...
I require , still, a few days to cope with my return.So, please, pardon me.
I am very SenSitiveS
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@Bereshith said
"If you don't mind me* expounding *on it myself - if that's not some threat to any felt uniqueness on your part - I'd say that this riddle is placed in the text precisely so that each individual will try their hand at it. The temptation is simply too great. The desire to be "the One" is inherently a part of us."
This. Based upon stuff in both CCXX and Achad's Liber 31 from when he was still working with Crowley (although certainly being rather presumptuous himself, talking about having become an Ipsissimus and all that), I came up with my own system (table of numerical values) for English Gematria years ago, and it's served me very well ever since, leading me to helpful bits of insight and inspiration.
(In fact, I've been chuckling every time 69 was mentioned earlier in this thread, because in my system, 69 = my own first name "Shawn" and also the word "angel"!)
"In this case of this riddle, the question we bring to it is, "Am I the child?" along with the intense desire to be such a person in our own universe of experience and meaning. And as each person comes to it with that question and burning desire, the answer* always *seems to be, "You are the Child! Look at the coincidences!" They seem to be there for each individual who attempts it, but in some different combination or using some different technique unique to the individual."
"Each of us is the child" = "As brothers fight ye!" in my English Gematria.
One clause of an important obligation is to interpret every phenomenon as a particular dealing of God with your soul. And questions of the Law are to be decided "each for himself" through appeal to "my" (Crowley's) writings. So I couldn't agree more. What do the numerical riddles in the book say to you? I suspect that when one has reached a certain level of initiation -- perhaps the K&C -- the insights and unveiling of the riddles proceeds apace.
It has been said that not many people bought the Velvet Underground's debut album, but every one who did started their own band. Well, not many people have read CCXX, but a great many of those who did became qabalists, and that's a good thing!
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"In this case of this riddle, the question we bring to it is, "Am I the child?" along with the intense desire to be such a person in our own universe of experience and meaning. And as each person comes to it with that question and burning desire, the answer always seems to be, "You are the Child! Look at the coincidences!" They seem to be there for each individual who attempts it, but in some different combination or using some different technique unique to the individual. "
absolutely beautiful summary
