Vision of the HGA vs. KCHGA

[Faust]

Something that I believe that is important to observe is that most reactive emotions are no more than reactions to psychological events as if they where physical events.

For example, when someone offends you, your mind (and your body) reacts as if it had the power to physically injure you. The activation of “fight or flight” mechanism is this situation shows how misplaced the reaction can be.

In other words, the Nephesh reacts to events on the realm of Ruach as if they were his concern. Maybe we can say that this is a natural “confusion of planes”.

[Jim Eshelman]

@Faus said

"Something that I believe that is important to observe is that most reactive emotions are no more than reactions to psychological events as if they where physical events."

Yes!

[Fr Seraphis]

@Simon Iff said

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One thing I have come to see as a big hurdle on any path of evolution is the idea that once a certain level - however this is formulated - has been reached, this often produces the idea that all lower levels have now somehow become unnescessary or at least uninteresting. But human (and probably transhuman) nature is better modelled as a pyramid than a tower - in my opinion. The higher the top is, the broader one has to make the basis and the middle echelons.

Or at least this is how I see it."

Well said, IMO.

As far as astral emotions are concerned, as far as I can see now, they are here, where else. Nowhere else to go.
But...deeper reality is so much more...ummm...sweet? that astral dimension fades away in shame.
Nothing wrong with that, though.

[Fr Seraphis]

@Faus said

"Something that I believe that is important to observe is that most reactive emotions are no more than reactions to psychological events as if they where physical events.

For example, when someone offends you, your mind (and your body) reacts as if it had the power to physically injure you. The activation of “fight or flight” mechanism is this situation shows how misplaced the reaction can be.

In other words, the Nephesh reacts to events on the realm of Ruach as if they were his concern. Maybe we can say that this is a natural “confusion of planes”."

Very well put, Faust.

Even modern science, namely cognitive neurobiology and neuropsychology affirms that "life" is happening between the ears, not out there.

[Q789]

Good thinking 99-- isn't that the basics of magick.

The initiate feels there is an 'outside ' world, while hte adept knows it all comes from within.

q

[Uni_Verse]

@Faus said

"For example, when someone offends you, your mind (and your body) reacts as if it had the power to physically injure you. The activation of “fight or flight” mechanism is this situation shows how misplaced the reaction can be. "

I feel it is important to note that there is a physical effect.
That is, your body AND mind reacting in particular ways to particular stimuli.
While these reactions should not be allowed to control you, it is a grave error (in my opinion) to brush them aside.

A person making an offensive remark may not cause you direct physical harm, but you should not ignore the flight mechanism if 93% of the time someone makes an offensive remark they follow it up with a punch to your nose.

Obviously, there would be circumstances where the mechanisms should be ignored.
Learning to feel and accept our emotions is an important aspect on the path of return.
Thereby allowing us to know when the source of a feeling is an emotion arising re-actively to stimuli or the urgings of something within.

[Faust]

@Uni_Verse said

"Obviously, there would be circumstances where the mechanisms should be ignored.
Learning to feel and accept our emotions is an important aspect on the path of return."

A better example would be a bad day in the office with your boss screaming at you, your adrenaline will be high all day long. Most of what we call stress (and the bad effects it has on health) seems to be caused by this. Still there are other emotions I did not took the time to think or read about.

As far as my understanding goes, it is not about denying them (an emotional reaction against an emotional reaction) but dismantling them through a process of analysis. This is only possible if we are mindful of them.

EDIT: I think it is like diffusing a bomb, you separate the trigger from the power source.

[Al-Shariyf]

"Obviously, there would be circumstances where the mechanisms should be ignored"

In practice, I find that ignoring the mechanisms creates resistance and acknowledging an emotional response as merely an emotional response and nothing more tends to create more harmony and presences the right relationship between Ruach and Nephesh IMO.

An example would be getting emotionally triggered by a break-up with a lover. The emotions kick in, the body responds, a thought arises "I am heartbroken". The Ruach, observes the experience and acknowledges what is happening "They said x and now I am having thoughts, feelings and body sensations that accompany the experience called 'sadness'. We are not heartbroken. We are safe."

[Archaeus]

@Al-Shariyf said

"
"Obviously, there would be circumstances where the mechanisms should be ignored"

In practice, I find that ignoring the mechanisms creates resistance and acknowledging an emotional response as merely an emotional response and nothing more tends to create more harmony and presences the right relationship between Ruach and Nephesh IMO.

An example would be getting emotionally triggered by a break-up with a lover. The emotions kick in, the body responds, a thought arises "I am heartbroken". The Ruach, observes the experience and acknowledges what is happening "They said x and now I am having thoughts, feelings and body sensations that accompany the experience called 'sadness'. We are not heartbroken. We are safe.""

Who's we?

[Al-Shariyf]

"Al-Shariyf wrote:
Obviously, there would be circumstances where the mechanisms should be ignored

In practice, I find that ignoring the mechanisms creates resistance and acknowledging an emotional response as merely an emotional response and nothing more tends to create more harmony and presences the right relationship between Ruach and Nephesh IMO.

An example would be getting emotionally triggered by a break-up with a lover. The emotions kick in, the body responds, a thought arises "I am heartbroken". The Ruach, observes the experience and acknowledges what is happening "They said x and now I am having thoughts, feelings and body sensations that accompany the experience called 'sadness'. We are not heartbroken. We are safe."

Who's we?"

I apologize for not being clear in my example.

When I said "We" I meant the Ruach and the Nephesh. In my example the Ruach was engaging in a conversation with the Nephesh. It was supposed to illustrate the process analysis being applied to an emotional reaction.

[Uni_Verse]

If your lover departs and you are not sad, man up and recognize it was just a bitch you were fucking.

When I spoke of ignoring the mechanism, I was referring to the conditioned response.
Do not enact a change to keep her at your side, enact change in submission to the powers of transformation.
If she were a lover, then your heart should be broken.
Your sense of gravity should be altered...
A great star has disappeared, or gone super nova...
The UNIVERSE has changed.
The formula? Perhaps the same, you may just need to recalculate it.
Deriving a more accurate description of your Will
Drawing you closer to the Knowledge and Conversation beyond the Vision

[Al-Shariyf]

"When I spoke of ignoring the mechanism, I was referring to the conditioned response."

Ah. Claro!

"Do not enact a change to keep her at your side, enact change in submission to the powers of transformation"

YES! LOVE UNDER WILL!!!!!!

[milkBoxx]

My experience is similar to what Jim mentioned about primarily being auditory.
But I really think the key isn't what most people think it is, in fact I think it's fairly simple.
Isolation, from the world. I'm a radiation therapist and I sustained a back injury from a patient
who was not very friendly. They sent me home after my MRI showed my back was shot.
During this time I lived with my gf (She was never home, always at work). I had no friends really,
but I didn't try to make friends either. I did practice magick, and what was so weird is that I was invoking when I thought I
was banishing almost as if I was unconsciously performing acts to conjure up the HGA without knowing it.
Then after around 8 or 10 months of this, I suddenly walked outside
and looked into the sky and started laughing and I had no idea why.

 This happened a few times and always at dawn.

Then one day I was laying on my couch and a voice started to speak to me distinctly, I tested it immediately to see
if I was just going nuts or if this was some sort of imaginary being I created. It said "Write everything I say down" and
I replied, "With what?". The voice then said "Look to your left" and low and behold my gf had placed my magickal journal
there for no reason at all that morning along with a pen. I transcribed several pages of this message and still keep it to this
day. The final words were "I will return". I don't consider this to be the K&C, maybe the vision. But after that, my life turned upside down
as far as well... you'd think I'm crazy if I told you what I had seen. All I have to say is, those who speak of the wise men who retire for a few years
and come down with knowledge of the divine to spread among the peoples, there is something to that retirement. It's a knowledge that can only be
attained when the mundane distractions of reality and society are removed and you are only left with yourself.