Magic and Song
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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I feel the same way, especially since there is a perfect pattern of the notes to the zodiac.
I use music in my magick. Rituals should be practiced by regular vibration and intoning of divine names for a long time before attempting this, less time for those very musically inclined.
For instance, I use different note tones for vibrating "Yehowah, etc." for the LBRP.
Also, when adoring the sun after the initial adoration, I begin the final adoration at "I adore Thee in song..", then I harmonize the entire adoration. This will truly inflame oneself for knowledge and conversation, above and beyond what a regular recital of the poem does.
Let there be Unity uttermost showed!
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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@ThelemicMage said
"I feel the same way, especially since there is a perfect pattern of the notes to the zodiac.
I use music in my magick. Rituals should be practiced by regular vibration and intoning of divine names for a long time before attempting this, less time for those very musically inclined.
For instance, I use different note tones for vibrating "Yehowah, etc." for the LBRP.
Also, when adoring the sun after the initial adoration, I begin the final adoration at "I adore Thee in song..", then I harmonize the entire adoration. This will truly inflame oneself for knowledge and conversation, above and beyond what a regular recital of the poem does.
Let there be Unity uttermost showed!"
Yes, exactly. It seems there is so much in magic relating to music; "vibrating", the note scale, even verse. It seems music in general as well is ingrained within us, mysteriously a universal emotional language. Its very powerful, yet we seem to ignore it.
Great ideas BTW Mage, it be interesting to try that or see it.
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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I feel myself inwardly and unchangably intoning names and adorations in what I would term as "Egyptian" notes or wavelength. It must be experienced to know what I mean, but here's a rough explaination:
Power chords, on a guitar, the chords "easier" to play however they jump notes and don't exactly hit each one all the way up, though the chord is organized in such a way as to introduce the higher notes in what would be a regular chord.
This is what egyptian religion pretty much did, and there's a pattern and harmony to it. All I can really say is that when I intone names and adorations, it sound like egyptian power chord notes.
Very powerful.
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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Listen to Tool!
Seriously. Besides the fact that their albums are hour-long rituals passing through the four principle stages of the alchemical process, purging and activating the four elements in a unique succession, their song Intension off of the album 10,000 Days is perfect for banishing of any sort.
"Pure as we begin, moved by will alone..." etc..
Also, try the Time Machines album by Coil for neutral but gnostic sound-scapes, and perhaps some Lustmord, specifically the album [OTHER], which is some very meditative dark-ambient ear candy.I'm a musician myself, music being the most active medium for communion with my Angel, so it plays a huge part in my experience of the spiritual; I incorporate it everywhere I can.
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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@ThelemicMage said
"I feel myself inwardly and unchangably intoning names and adorations in what I would term as "Egyptian" notes or wavelength. It must be experienced to know what I mean, but here's a rough explaination:
Power chords, on a guitar, the chords "easier" to play however they jump notes and don't exactly hit each one all the way up, though the chord is organized in such a way as to introduce the higher notes in what would be a regular chord.
This is what egyptian religion pretty much did, and there's a pattern and harmony to it. All I can really say is that when I intone names and adorations, it sound like egyptian power chord notes.
Very powerful.
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This. I have an idea of what you're talking about, and a bit of experience with it. I am working up a greater knowledge of Egyptian Cosmic Resonance through Rosemary Clark's books so I can begin working a series of musical invocations for Djehuti(the god of Resonance, speech, vibration) and Ma'at(the resonant matrix/womb that receives Djehuti's word/vibration). I have a Sun and Mercury in Gemini, so Djehuti is my totem in many ways.
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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@ThelemicMage said
"I feel myself inwardly and unchangably intoning names and adorations in what I would term as "Egyptian" notes or wavelength. It must be experienced to know what I mean, but here's a rough explaination:
Power chords, on a guitar, the chords "easier" to play however they jump notes and don't exactly hit each one all the way up, though the chord is organized in such a way as to introduce the higher notes in what would be a regular chord.
This is what egyptian religion pretty much did, and there's a pattern and harmony to it. All I can really say is that when I intone names and adorations, it sound like egyptian power chord notes.
Very powerful.
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Very interesting, ive never thought of intoning to any particular tone/chord etc., probably because I am not knowledgeable in music. I certainly see how powerful that could be. Any suggestions on trying it? How do you determine the tones for particular names etc?
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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@Duo Columpnas said
"Listen to Tool!
Seriously. Besides the fact that their albums are hour-long rituals passing through the four principle stages of the alchemical process, purging and activating the four elements in a unique succession, their song Intension off of the album 10,000 Days is perfect for banishing of any sort.
"Pure as we begin, moved by will alone..." etc..
Also, try the Time Machines album by Coil for neutral but gnostic sound-scapes, and perhaps some Lustmord, specifically the album [OTHER], which is some very meditative dark-ambient ear candy.I'm a musician myself, music being the most active medium for communion with my Angel, so it plays a huge part in my experience of the spiritual; I incorporate it everywhere I can."
Im assuming then these guys wrote the material with that purpose in mind?? They are magicians as well? Have to admit I heard of Tool but never really listened. Why the name Tool? Thanks for the advice, ill definitely check it out.
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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@Daegal said
"Im assuming then these guys wrote the material with that purpose in mind?? They are magician as well?"
Oh, absolutely. Check out the imagery and lyrics in this video for a very brief example(released in 2001): www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8g0RIntiFc
The album this song is off of is related to Earth and the alchemical stage of Citrinitas, in my interpretation.
Also, a video of them live in '98, from their Water/Albedo album(notice the Solomonic board in the back): www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vTFxbQDnwM@Daegal said
"Why the name Tool?"
The name refers to their motivation to make music that is a TOOL to be used in reaching higher states of consciousness. Also, it refers to a penis. Same thing though
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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Is there any material of AC or elsewhere that goes into the magical "structure" of music or songcraft? As I mentioned before, this seems to be a no brainer, and it would seem then the magician(s) of Tool got it. Did they ever discuss a particular theory etc?
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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@Duo Columpnas said
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@Daegal said
"Im assuming then these guys wrote the material with that purpose in mind?? They are magician as well?"Oh, absolutely. Check out the imagery and lyrics in this video for a very brief example(released in 2001): www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8g0RIntiFc
The album this song is off of is related to Earth and the alchemical stage of Citrinitas, in my interpretation.
Also, a video of them live in '98, from their Water/Albedo album(notice the Solomonic board in the back): www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vTFxbQDnwM@Daegal said
"Why the name Tool?"
The name refers to their motivation to make music that is a TOOL to be used in reaching higher states of consciousness. Also, it refers to a penis. Same thing though
"Lol Tool of course! Thats funny! How Thelemic! You may have just made them a new fan lol. I had no idea they were into magic and based their music on it! Very cool.
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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@ThelemicMage said
"Power chords, on a guitar, the chords "easier" to play however they jump notes and don't exactly hit each one all the way up, though the chord is organized in such a way as to introduce the higher notes in what would be a regular chord."
I'm not quite sure what you meant here, but just to be clear: a power chord is the root plus a perfect fifth (7 semitones). It's your standard major or minor chord with the 3rd removed. (Octaves can be added in as well, of course.)@Duo Columpnas said
"Also, try the Time Machines album by Coil for neutral but gnostic sound-scapes"
Also from Coil check out "How to Destroy Angels". It was designed to raise male sexual energy through the invocation of Mars. The work was performed as a magical ceremony and they apparently relied heavily on 777 in the composition (iron percussion instruments, etc.). I had it playing in the background while invoking Mars once. It certainly enhanced the atmosphere, if nothing else.Also, check out the fanastic work that Eleusyve Productions in Seattle has done producing A.C.'s "The Rites of Eleusis" as musical theatre. (Check out their website www.eleusyve.com/) There's also an interview with the founders, Jon Sewell and Melissa Holm in the 3rd episode of the Speech in the Silence podcast (here: speechinthesilence.com/webpage/episode-3-sol-in-pisces-year-105) that might be worthwhile for some of you. It's been a while since I listened to it, but I remember Sewell in particular having some very interesting things to say about composing music to invoke a specific (in this case planetary) force.
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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@Daegal said
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@ThelemicMage said
"I feel myself inwardly and unchangably intoning names and adorations in what I would term as "Egyptian" notes or wavelength. It must be experienced to know what I mean, but here's a rough explaination:Power chords, on a guitar, the chords "easier" to play however they jump notes and don't exactly hit each one all the way up, though the chord is organized in such a way as to introduce the higher notes in what would be a regular chord.
This is what egyptian religion pretty much did, and there's a pattern and harmony to it. All I can really say is that when I intone names and adorations, it sound like egyptian power chord notes.
Very powerful.
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Very interesting, ive never thought of intoning to any particular tone/chord etc., probably because I am not knowledgeable in music. I certainly see how powerful that could be. Any suggestions on trying it? How do you determine the tones for particular names etc?
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Start here: www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13602
Just get a keyboard at Walmart, which is always easiest to learn the notes and such with because the keys are all laid out in linear form. Even all the sharps and flats are organized into half-step black keys.Then, start with something simple, like Liber Resh. Intone your final adoration in the simplest fashion you can. (Go from your normal recitation of it at first, then let your inner, higher self guide you into musical expression.)
If you are successful in rituals such as the pentagram rituals, then feeling your true musical connection to the divine names will not be that hard. In fact, you don't even have to learn notes, (but you should,) to start this if you have a knack for Magick.
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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@ThelemicMage said
"Start here: www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13602"
Did you know that you can find the resonance of a sphere by a few easy measurements? This applies to celestial bodies. For example, the natural resonance of the Sun is B natural, Earth is F# -- a perfect fifth!
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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Might you elaborate a step or two on the practice?
Imbibing Nuit's more rare and sacred sacraments I have, three or four nights a week, some nights more awaken than others, and deep insight into music and magick have I gained.
The resonance of everything is not being tucked back into the shadows after the experience like it used to. Serious interest I have, in this musical measurement theory of yours.
I will try to hold back, and not get fed up with three dimensional human language, holding back from trying to pry my mouth open, and shoot out like a celestial ejaculate through the top of my skull.
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html
This should cover the groundwork@ThelemicMage said
"I will try to hold back, and not get fed up with three dimensional human language, holding back from trying to pry my mouth open, and shoot out like a celestial ejaculate through the top of my skull.
""6. Thou art tossed about in the grip of the storm for an aeon and an aeon and an aeon. But thou givest not thy sap; thou fallest not."
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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Many thanks, but I was actually referring to one of the climaxes of liber Samekh.
When one's spiritual essence gives itself up to your holy guardian angel through the top of your head right through your skull through the sahasrara chakra.
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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@ThelemicMage said
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@Daegal said
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@ThelemicMage said
"I feel myself inwardly and unchangably intoning names and adorations in what I would term as "Egyptian" notes or wavelength. It must be experienced to know what I mean, but here's a rough explaination:Power chords, on a guitar, the chords "easier" to play however they jump notes and don't exactly hit each one all the way up, though the chord is organized in such a way as to introduce the higher notes in what would be a regular chord.
This is what egyptian religion pretty much did, and there's a pattern and harmony to it. All I can really say is that when I intone names and adorations, it sound like egyptian power chord notes.
Very powerful.
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Very interesting, ive never thought of intoning to any particular tone/chord etc., probably because I am not knowledgeable in music. I certainly see how powerful that could be. Any suggestions on trying it? How do you determine the tones for particular names etc?
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Start here: www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13602
Just get a keyboard at Walmart, which is always easiest to learn the notes and such with because the keys are all laid out in linear form. Even all the sharps and flats are organized into half-step black keys.Then, start with something simple, like Liber Resh. Intone your final adoration in the simplest fashion you can. (Go from your normal recitation of it at first, then let your inner, higher self guide you into musical expression.)
If you are successful in rituals such as the pentagram rituals, then feeling your true musical connection to the divine names will not be that hard. In fact, you don't even have to learn notes, (but you should,) to start this if you have a knack for Magick.
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Thank you, this is great! Something new, ill try it. This has opened my eyes to a whole new area to examine. Thanks again.
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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@Daegal said
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
93 93/93"The very first sound that we hear is our mothers heartbeat,
The primal beat is music for your soul.
Without this music
You cannot have magick.
Every single act,
Is musicial.Some music just sounds better to us then others.
I highly recommend this book to any person interested in bringing more music into thier lives, and more magick too.
www.amazon.com/When-Drummers-Were-Women-Spiritual/dp/0609801287
Ps. Dont let its title fool you, it isnt "sexist."
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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All ritual moves,
In a heart-beat rhythm,
that reflects our soulAn interesting phenomenon:
Focusing on the Hebrew letters as I intone,
Both their drawing and placing,
In the scheme of the LBRP;
I begin to grow more passive,
Flowing through me,
Undulations in the air,
Minute changes in toneWhere each letter takes on a character of its own...
This rising crescendo bleeds out into the Work.
After a long time dancing in Silence,
I have once more began adding Color & Sound
Intensity-Ecstasy-Concious-Continuity
An addictive quality intertwining with the BreathThough this is where I was not too long ago,
Walking that fine razors edge I adore so well ;
Shall I make the same mistakes again?
No, there shall be a change, a growth, an understanding
The question is, have I yet grown wise to the methods of my own demise?My my have I been long-winded recently
I shall end with an interlude on the French Garden Hose:
www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=g3hWdUDi_iA -
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/293060_285460041555730_1076293155_n.jpg
I used to meditate on music and mystical attributions quite a bit. Thought you may like this:
Yin line = Minor 3rd
Yang line = Major 3rdOMG! All of the prominent western music theory scales in the early I-ching arrangement?
Enjoy!