Magic and Song

Jason R

@Duo Columpnas said

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@Daegal said
"Im assuming then these guys wrote the material with that purpose in mind?? They are magician as well?"

Oh, absolutely. Check out the imagery and lyrics in this video for a very brief example(released in 2001): www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8g0RIntiFc
The album this song is off of is related to Earth and the alchemical stage of Citrinitas, in my interpretation.
Also, a video of them live in '98, from their Water/Albedo album(notice the Solomonic board in the back): www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vTFxbQDnwM

@Daegal said

"Why the name Tool?"

The name refers to their motivation to make music that is a TOOL to be used in reaching higher states of consciousness. Also, it refers to a penis. Same thing though "

Lol Tool of course! Thats funny! How Thelemic! You may have just made them a new fan lol. I had no idea they were into magic and based their music on it! Very cool.

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@ThelemicMage said

"Power chords, on a guitar, the chords "easier" to play however they jump notes and don't exactly hit each one all the way up, though the chord is organized in such a way as to introduce the higher notes in what would be a regular chord."
I'm not quite sure what you meant here, but just to be clear: a power chord is the root plus a perfect fifth (7 semitones). It's your standard major or minor chord with the 3rd removed. (Octaves can be added in as well, of course.)

@Duo Columpnas said

"Also, try the Time Machines album by Coil for neutral but gnostic sound-scapes"
Also from Coil check out "How to Destroy Angels". It was designed to raise male sexual energy through the invocation of Mars. The work was performed as a magical ceremony and they apparently relied heavily on 777 in the composition (iron percussion instruments, etc.). I had it playing in the background while invoking Mars once. It certainly enhanced the atmosphere, if nothing else.

Also, check out the fanastic work that Eleusyve Productions in Seattle has done producing A.C.'s "The Rites of Eleusis" as musical theatre. (Check out their website www.eleusyve.com/) There's also an interview with the founders, Jon Sewell and Melissa Holm in the 3rd episode of the Speech in the Silence podcast (here: speechinthesilence.com/webpage/episode-3-sol-in-pisces-year-105) that might be worthwhile for some of you. It's been a while since I listened to it, but I remember Sewell in particular having some very interesting things to say about composing music to invoke a specific (in this case planetary) force.

ThelemicMage

@Daegal said

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@ThelemicMage said
"I feel myself inwardly and unchangably intoning names and adorations in what I would term as "Egyptian" notes or wavelength. It must be experienced to know what I mean, but here's a rough explaination:

Power chords, on a guitar, the chords "easier" to play however they jump notes and don't exactly hit each one all the way up, though the chord is organized in such a way as to introduce the higher notes in what would be a regular chord.

This is what egyptian religion pretty much did, and there's a pattern and harmony to it. All I can really say is that when I intone names and adorations, it sound like egyptian power chord notes.

Very powerful.

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Very interesting, ive never thought of intoning to any particular tone/chord etc., probably because I am not knowledgeable in music. I certainly see how powerful that could be. Any suggestions on trying it? How do you determine the tones for particular names etc?

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Start here: www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13602
Just get a keyboard at Walmart, which is always easiest to learn the notes and such with because the keys are all laid out in linear form. Even all the sharps and flats are organized into half-step black keys.

Then, start with something simple, like Liber Resh. Intone your final adoration in the simplest fashion you can. (Go from your normal recitation of it at first, then let your inner, higher self guide you into musical expression.)

If you are successful in rituals such as the pentagram rituals, then feeling your true musical connection to the divine names will not be that hard. In fact, you don't even have to learn notes, (but you should,) to start this if you have a knack for Magick.

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Macsen Melinydd

@ThelemicMage said

"Start here: www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13602"

Did you know that you can find the resonance of a sphere by a few easy measurements? This applies to celestial bodies. For example, the natural resonance of the Sun is B natural, Earth is F# -- a perfect fifth! etc...

ThelemicMage

Might you elaborate a step or two on the practice?

Imbibing Nuit's more rare and sacred sacraments I have, three or four nights a week, some nights more awaken than others, and deep insight into music and magick have I gained.

The resonance of everything is not being tucked back into the shadows after the experience like it used to. Serious interest I have, in this musical measurement theory of yours.

I will try to hold back, and not get fed up with three dimensional human language, holding back from trying to pry my mouth open, and shoot out like a celestial ejaculate through the top of my skull.

Macsen Melinydd

www.lunarplanner.com/Harmonics/planetary-harmonics.html
This should cover the groundwork

@ThelemicMage said

"I will try to hold back, and not get fed up with three dimensional human language, holding back from trying to pry my mouth open, and shoot out like a celestial ejaculate through the top of my skull.
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"6. Thou art tossed about in the grip of the storm for an aeon and an aeon and an aeon. But thou givest not thy sap; thou fallest not."
Good luck, brother!

ThelemicMage

Many thanks, but I was actually referring to one of the climaxes of liber Samekh.

When one's spiritual essence gives itself up to your holy guardian angel through the top of your head right through your skull through the sahasrara chakra.

Jason R

@ThelemicMage said

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@Daegal said
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@ThelemicMage said
"I feel myself inwardly and unchangably intoning names and adorations in what I would term as "Egyptian" notes or wavelength. It must be experienced to know what I mean, but here's a rough explaination:

Power chords, on a guitar, the chords "easier" to play however they jump notes and don't exactly hit each one all the way up, though the chord is organized in such a way as to introduce the higher notes in what would be a regular chord.

This is what egyptian religion pretty much did, and there's a pattern and harmony to it. All I can really say is that when I intone names and adorations, it sound like egyptian power chord notes.

Very powerful.

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Very interesting, ive never thought of intoning to any particular tone/chord etc., probably because I am not knowledgeable in music. I certainly see how powerful that could be. Any suggestions on trying it? How do you determine the tones for particular names etc?

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Start here: www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13602
Just get a keyboard at Walmart, which is always easiest to learn the notes and such with because the keys are all laid out in linear form. Even all the sharps and flats are organized into half-step black keys.

Then, start with something simple, like Liber Resh. Intone your final adoration in the simplest fashion you can. (Go from your normal recitation of it at first, then let your inner, higher self guide you into musical expression.)

If you are successful in rituals such as the pentagram rituals, then feeling your true musical connection to the divine names will not be that hard. In fact, you don't even have to learn notes, (but you should,) to start this if you have a knack for Magick.

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Thank you, this is great! Something new, ill try it. This has opened my eyes to a whole new area to examine. Thanks again.

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Corvinae

@Daegal said

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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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The very first sound that we hear is our mothers heartbeat,
The primal beat is music for your soul.
Without this music
You cannot have magick.
Every single act,
Is musicial.

Some music just sounds better to us then others.

I highly recommend this book to any person interested in bringing more music into thier lives, and more magick too.

www.amazon.com/When-Drummers-Were-Women-Spiritual/dp/0609801287

Ps. Dont let its title fool you, it isnt "sexist."

Uni_Verse

All ritual moves,
In a heart-beat rhythm,
that reflects our soul

An interesting phenomenon:
Focusing on the Hebrew letters as I intone,
Both their drawing and placing,
In the scheme of the LBRP;
I begin to grow more passive,
Flowing through me,
Undulations in the air,
Minute changes in tone

Where each letter takes on a character of its own...

This rising crescendo bleeds out into the Work.
After a long time dancing in Silence,
I have once more began adding Color & Sound
Intensity-Ecstasy-Concious-Continuity
An addictive quality intertwining with the Breath

Though this is where I was not too long ago,
Walking that fine razors edge I adore so well ;
Shall I make the same mistakes again?
No, there shall be a change, a growth, an understanding
The question is, have I yet grown wise to the methods of my own demise?

My my have I been long-winded recently

I shall end with an interlude on the French Garden Hose:
www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=g3hWdUDi_iA

Frater 639

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/293060_285460041555730_1076293155_n.jpg

I used to meditate on music and mystical attributions quite a bit. Thought you may like this:

Yin line = Minor 3rd
Yang line = Major 3rd

OMG! All of the prominent western music theory scales in the early I-ching arrangement?

Enjoy!

Jason R

@Frater 639 said

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I used to meditate on music and mystical attributions quite a bit. Thought you may like this:

Yin line = Minor 3rd
Yang line = Major 3rd

OMG! All of the prominent western music theory scales in the early I-ching arrangement?

Enjoy! "

This is very cool. So you could use this as a musical addition to the Hexagrams of Yi Ching too maybe?

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Jason R

@Veronica said

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@Daegal said
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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The very first sound that we hear is our mothers heartbeat,
The primal beat is music for your soul.
Without this music
You cannot have magick.
Every single act,
Is musicial.

Some music just sounds better to us then others.

I highly recommend this book to any person interested in bringing more music into thier lives, and more magick too.

www.amazon.com/When-Drummers-Were-Women-Spiritual/dp/0609801287

Ps. Dont let its title fool you, it isnt "sexist.""

You think this is the root if music perhaps? Our mothers heartbeat? Thats a interesting theory. Ive read a bit about the mystery of tge origibs of music etc, and how universal it is to humans. I like this simple and even symbolic type of idea.

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Avshalom Binyamin

Well, the beat of most music falls in the range of an adult human's heartbeat.

oldfriend56

an interesting note on 'singing'. in the amazonian traditions - the shamans do sing their incantations, banishing, and spells, which are called icaros. many of them are quite beautiful - the singing is used to focus the 'intention' or will of the curandero and the songs themselves act like magical weapons, usually for the purposes of healing. Having had the opportunity to sit in quite a number of these rituals, i found myself asking the same question, what if western rituals were 'sung' instead of quoted?

EDIT: many of the songs are said to be created by spirits and taught to the shaman's to sing.

oldfriend56

@Dara Allarah said

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I was told by a friend that Enochian is meant to be sung or 'vibrated' by 7 people, just as certain Tibetan ritual practises are. Just wondering - did the curanderos have a ritually significant number of people attending the rituals too?"

none that I have ever been aware of, since the ceremonies are really set up to 'heal' those attending. The ones I have participated in are usually between 5 - 20, though I have sat in one that was over 40. Sometimes you will have a number of curanderos singing in different parts of the ceremony room but dont believe there is any significance there.

ThelemicMage

@Dara Allarah said

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@ldfriend56 said
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@Dara Allarah said
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I was told by a friend that Enochian is meant to be sung or 'vibrated' by 7 people, just as certain Tibetan ritual practises are. Just wondering - did the curanderos have a ritually significant number of people attending the rituals too?"

none that I have ever been aware of, since the ceremonies are really set up to 'heal' those attending. The ones I have participated in are usually between 5 - 20, though I have sat in one that was over 40. Sometimes you will have a number of curanderos singing in different parts of the ceremony room but dont believe there is any significance there."

Cheers. It was worth checking out anyway. I am most interested in those branches of magick and healing that have a focused system behind the synergistic workings of consciousness. "

Then you will wish to check this phenomenon out, Dar. (Same phenomenon as the glossalia experienced during a DMT experience, same sacrament as well that the shamans work with.)

Now when "out there" on aya or DMT, I notice my different selves, the (seven centers of my intention,) singing at the same time, this "demotic greek", sometimes Enochian, glossalia. After a many times, it is not glossalia anymore due to you having a knowledgable flow of the words/songs themselves.

I paraphrase of how our brother brake the seven lances.

Now the DMT "elves' themselves speak "demotic greek", a precursor to angelic enochian. One would wish to study the distance between Malkuth and Yesod, as well as the languages of the after-death elves and enochian. We just had a discussion on the differences between angels and divine lower forms, this is the language difference. No fooling, shamans have been speaking this language for thousands of years. I will not even go into how the righteous and rare mushroom shamans of mexico and S. American speak enochian fluently.

You know how if you're in trance, or in psychedelic trance, (same thing, you're just eating either endogenous or nature-fed neurotransmitters; like trying to go on a long hike with just breakfast, or with breakfast and lunch ,) you feel your different aspects combine to form your internal dialogue?

One instance of this is your male voice merges with a female voice in your int. dialogue, symbolizing the male/female relationship between you and your HGA.

The "seven centers of your intention" also manifest themselves in such ways.

We must remember that everything in existence has been sung there. It is all just vibrations of the highest form of element, sound, song. The spirit is of hearing alone. We might remember that it is this fifth element that makes possible the total connection of the pentagram to the seven palaces. Dara already knows what I am speaking of.

BRB grabbing a box of poppies...

ThelemicMage

My father told me there has been a wave of sightings across the world.

More than one person has spotted actual Yettis near my house, probably 3-5 miles away. Same basic location, different witnesses and times.

They say that the Yettis are connected with the "normal" sightings, and it is true to an extent, they themselves being what we would have become had we not been genetically enhanced. Not a lot of people know this.

(Or many other things I've spoken of within the past couple of months. Being on the brink of the great divide, where we all must fall or fly into the quickening, my feelings for withholding such information has disappeared.)

Cheers!

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Corvinae

I think that the root of music is entrainment, which start with the fetus entraining its heart beat, and brain waves, and nerve impulses in the skin, to that of its mothers.

Simple and symbolic, quite sure... Yet true.

One of my hearttrobs helped out in the production of a fantastic video called. The Heart is a Drum Machine. Used to be availible on youtube and netflix.

Singing has been used for ages in what could be called or concidered the womens mysteries. When a parent is holding a screaming child, and nothing she can do has quelled its screams, an innate sence will compell the parent to shush....( which sounds similiar to the white noise inside the womb) or hum. And it works, hence every culture that we know of has a lullaby, of some sort, the will of the parent manifesting a change, magick.

@Daegal said

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@Veronica said
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@Daegal said
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Ive always been curious why music itself, and song writing, and even singing hasnt been more used in magick. Watching another sing, and of course singing itself for the performer is a powerfully emotional esperience. Of course if done well, and perhaps regardless. Wouldnt this be a powerful tool to enflame thyself? Why havent we seen more magical techniques for the use of music and vocals? Perhaps even song writing for ritual, as a potent method of "the Sword" aspect of the steps of ritual Jim mentions in his book?
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The very first sound that we hear is our mothers heartbeat,
The primal beat is music for your soul.
Without this music
You cannot have magick.
Every single act,
Is musicial.

Some music just sounds better to us then others.

I highly recommend this book to any person interested in bringing more music into thier lives, and more magick too.

www.amazon.com/When-Drummers-Were-Women-Spiritual/dp/0609801287

Ps. Dont let its title fool you, it isnt "sexist.""

You think this is the root if music perhaps? Our mothers heartbeat? Thats a interesting theory. Ive read a bit about the mystery of tge origibs of music etc, and how universal it is to humans. I like this simple and even symbolic type of idea.

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