why does the Star Ruby goes counterclockwise
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@Jim Eshelman said
"The Star Sapphire moves deosil. But you're right about Reguli"
Yes. I edited that out of the original post.
@Jim Eshelman said
"Exactly! That's the main thing that widdershins means in that ritual."
Or one can look at the perspective shift...especially when dealing with the pentagrams. I find that idea particularly useful...
EDIT: Speaking of the Star Sapphire, and not to get too off topic...but why isn't it included in this list? I figure you might be the only one to know, Jim
9 LOCKS OF THE INFERIOR BEARD.
Nine paths below Adeptus.- Th The Formulation of the Body of Light. Liber O.
- Sh The Passage of the King’s Chamber. Liber HHH.
- R The Illumination of the Sphere. Liber HHH.
- Q The Divining of Destiny. Liber Viæ Memoriæ CMXIII.
- Tz The Formulation of the Flaming Star. Liber V.
- Q The Destruction of the House of God. Liber XVI.
- O The Sabbath of the Adepts. Liber CCCLXX.
- S Skrying in the Spirit Vision: The Ladder of Jacob. Liber O.
- N The Preparation of the Corpse for the Tomb. Liber XXV.
13 LOCKS OF THE SUPERIOR BEARD.
7 Paths Below Magister Templi.
- M The Sleep of Siloam. Liber CDLI.
- L The Passing of the Hall of the Balances. Liber XXX.
- K The Evocation of the Mighty Ones. Liber
- Y The Absorption of the Emanations. Liber DCCCXXXI.
- T The Protection of the Sphere. Liber O.
- Ch The Ritual of the Holy Graal. Liber CLVI.
- Z The Utterance of the Pythoness. Liber MCXXXIX.
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93 I was curious why does the Star Ruby goes counterclockwise and Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram goes clockwise ? 93 93/93
@Avshalom Binyamin said
"The widdershins certainly didn't make it feel like any real "banishing" was happening--rather, it seemed to be invoking the messiest, swampiest energy possible."
That was the calm before the storm for me...
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93 I was curious why does the Star Ruby goes counterclockwise and Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram goes clockwise ? 93 93/93
It wasn't written yet, for one thing.
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93 I was curious why does the Star Ruby goes counterclockwise and Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram goes clockwise ? 93 93/93
@Jim Eshelman said
"It wasn't written yet, for one thing."
Thanks!
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93 I was curious why does the Star Ruby goes counterclockwise and Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram goes clockwise ? 93 93/93
I. Guess I should mention that the Liber XXV at Nun isn't the Star Ruby. It's the meditation the "sheaths of the soul" taught in "Science & Buddhism."
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93 I was curious why does the Star Ruby goes counterclockwise and Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram goes clockwise ? 93 93/93
Now that you mention it -- I don't see the Mass of the Phoenix.
That list pre-dated Liber 333? And, if so, is that the same Liber V (vel Reguli)? It must not be, if you say that list was put together before 1913 (when XXV and XXXVI were written).
Now I'm even more confused...I thought Liber V vel Reguli was written after approx. 1921 and the Star Sapphire was written in approx. 1913...
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93 I was curious why does the Star Ruby goes counterclockwise and Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram goes clockwise ? 93 93/93
The V there is not Reguli. I think it must be something conceived and never written.
These aren't just rituals etc. These are specific practices intended to help you actually cross the paths.
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93 I was curious why does the Star Ruby goes counterclockwise and Lesser Ritual of the Pentagram goes clockwise ? 93 93/93
Thanks again for the clarification.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"I. Guess I should mention that the Liber XXV at Nun isn't the Star Ruby. It's the meditation the "sheaths of the soul" taught in "Science & Buddhism.""
I was trying to think of a polite and tactful way to ask this, but as you know, tact isn't exactly my superpower, so I'll just blurt it out:
How do you know?
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@gmugmble said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"I. Guess I should mention that the Liber XXV at Nun isn't the Star Ruby. It's the meditation the "sheaths of the soul" taught in "Science & Buddhism.""I was trying to think of a polite and tactful way to ask this, but as you know, tact isn't exactly my superpower, so I'll just blurt it out:
How do you know?"
Liber Viarum Viæ was published in Equinox No. 7, March 1912. The Star Ruby was written in the course of writing The Book of Lies later in 1912.
The task for the Path of Nun in Liber Viarum Viæ, which is desinated as "Liber XXV," is summarized as "The Preparation of the Corpse for the tomb." That's a vague statement that is hard to relate to any of the "candidates" for identification but, in particular, it seems especially distant from a banishing pentagram ritual, and not excessively distant from a practice that "peels back the sheathes of the self."
Liber 185 describes the task for the Path of Nun as, "Further, he shall apply himself to study and practice the meditations given in Liber V." So, at least we know that it's a meditation. Liber 13 clarifies what kind of meditation by saying, "He is given a meditation-practice on the Senses, and the Sheaths of the Self, and the Practice called Mahasatipatthana. (See The Sword of Song, Science and Buddhism)."
The number 5 and its alternative/octave 25 were both used in describing this practice. In fact, both of those numbers were (years later) applied to new rituals.
The Path-practices listed in Liber Viarum Viæ exactly match those listed in core A.'.A.'. defining documents (Liber 185, Liber 13, One Star in Sight) in all cases except the following:
Qoph is here attributed to the Magical Memory, and the actual task assigned is divination.
A'ayin, "The Sabbath of the Adepts" is an expression of Liber A'ash, which was eventually assigned to Dominus Liminis. The actual tasks for A'ayin are evocation and the consecraton of talismans.
Kaph is excessively vague and probably refers to a paper that was never written. (The eventual assigned practice is the mastery of the gunas.)
(Above Chesed, the practices listed become more abstract and, in most cases, don't match what was later included in One Star in Sight. By all appearances, Crowley simply hadn't thought that far ahead at that point.)