Silence
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An experience I had over the weekend left me with a new understanding of Silence; that it was more than a command, but just how things are. I expected to remember it more clearly and flesh it out with more study and meditation, but as yet, haven't had the time nor the head for it.
Are personal magical experiences NOT to be talked about? I've read this diminishes power sometimes. But, on the other hand, Crowley shared his life's work pretty regularly. (Though, perhaps not in the midst of an operation; maybe that's the difference?)
I ask because, well, I'm a blabber mouth. I recently had an experience which I've told 3 or 4 people about, in general terms, and now have recently posted for this board. (EDIT: Actually, I just deleted it!) There is still plenty about the experience I have not shared, though, but that's probably because it is fairly inexpressable. Thus, Silence!
Is it not a good idea to share this sort of information (pathwork, tarot readings, etc)? Or is Silence just part of the ineffable nature of the Universe? I've come to undestand it as, "you can tell people whatever you want, but it's often pointless and how they respond might just hinder your own progress."
I also thought about this recently in regard to the fact that heruraha.net doesn't get as much traffic as Jim would like. Maybe everyone's just enjoying the Silence.
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Speaking as site administrator: The forum has no rule about not talking about such things.
On a personal responses level, that's a hard thing to generalize. I've found that I need at least to let something settle in a bit, and have to filter whether my desire to post it is an ego matter.
I do appreciate that your sense of humor caught the fact that you were talking about whether to keep to yourself your insights on silence <vbg>.
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Someone served up a weird article on what happens to people who talk too much about their alien / otherworldly experiences. Someone shuts 'em up and they develop asthma.
Check it out:
Aleister Crowley Freemason Aliens & Angels
www.savefile.com/files/3218327Actually, let me cut to the chase and save you some time (the first few pages are a waste of time):
@from the above article said
""Where do you think they come from?" I asked.
Doctor Vallee gave the Gallic form of the classic scientific Not- Speculating-Beyond-The-Data headshake.
"I can theorize, and theorize, endlessly," he said, "but is it not better to just study the data more deeply and look for clues?"
"You must have some personal hunch," I insisted.
He gave in gracefully. "They relate to space-time in ways for which we have, at present, no concepts," he said. "They cannot explain to us because we are not ready to understand."
I asked Grady McMurty if Aleister Crowley had ever said anything to him implying the extraterrestrial theory which Kenneth Grant, Outer Head of another Ordo Templi Orientis, implies in his accounts of Crowley's contacts with Higher Intelligences.
"Some of the things Aleister said to me," Grady replied carefully, "could be interpreted as hints pointing that way." He went on to quote Crowley's aphorisms about various of the standard entities contacted by Magick. The Abramelin spirits, for instance, need to be watched carefully. "They bite," Aleister explained in his best deadpan am-I-kidding-or-not? style. The Enochian "angels," on the other hand, don't always have to be summoned. "When you're ready, they come for you," Aleister said flatly.
(The Enochian entities were first contacted by Dr. John Dee in the early 17th Century. Dr. Dee, court astrologer to Queen Elizabeth and also an important mathematician, has been controversial from his own time to ours, some writers regarding him as a genius of the first rank and others as a clever lunatic. According to two interesting books, "The World Stage" and "The Rosicrucian Enlightenment," both by a most scrupulous historian, Dr. Francis Yates, Dee was almost certainly a prime mover in the "Illuminati" and "Rosicrucian Brotherhoods" of that time, which played a central role in the birth of modem science. The alleged UFOnaut from
Uranus which communicated with the two Naval Intelligence officers gave a name, AFFA, which is a word in the "angelic" language used by the entities Dee contacted. It means Nothing. George Hunt Williamson also got some words in "angelic" from his Space Brothers, remember.)"The outstanding quality of UFO contactees," Jacques Vallee said at this point, "was incoherence. I now have grave reservations about all physical details they supply," he said. "They are like people after an auto accident. All they know is that something very serious has happened to them." Only the fact that so many cases involve other witnesses, who see something in the sky before the "contactee" has his/her strange experience, justifies the assumption that what happens is more than "subjective."
"Largely," Doctor Vallee summarized, "they come out of it with a new perspective on humanity. A religious perspective, in general terms. But all the details are contradictory and confusing." He regarded green men, purple giant men, physical craft with windows in them, etc., as falling into the category psychologists call "substitute memory," always provided by the ingenious brain when the actualexperience is too shocking to be classified.
I asked how many in the room had experienced the contact of what appeared to be Higher Intelligence. Grady and Phylis McMurty put up their hands, as did two young magicians from the Los Angeles area, and myself. Jacques Vallee, curiously, looked as if he might raise his hand, but then evidently changed his mind and did not. I said I inclined to believe the Higher Intelligences were extraterrestrial, and asked what the others thought. Grady McMurty -- Caliph of the Ordo Templi Orientis -- said, in effect, that the theory of higher dimensions made more sense to him than the extraterrestrial theory in terms of actual space ships entering our biosphere.
The two Los Angeles magicians agreed.
Tom, who had been a witch for five years and hadn't raised his hand when asked for contactee testimony, said that the Higher Intelligences are imbedded in our language and numbers, as the Cabalists think, and have no other kind of existence. He added that every time he tried to explain this he saw that people thought he was going schizophrenic and he began to fear that they might be right, so he preferred not to talk about it at all. Tom-who is a computer programmer by profession, a witch only by religion later added a bit to this, saying that all that exists is information
and coding; we only imagine we have bodies and live in spacetime dimensions.Doctor Vallee listened to all this with a bland smile, and did not seem to regard any of us as mad.
(A few days later, in discussion with the former Vacaville prison psychologist, Dr. Wesley Hiler, I asked him what he really
thought of Dr. Leary's extraterrestrial contacts. Specifically, since he didn't regard Leary as crazy or hallucinating, what was happening when Leary thought he was receiving extraterrestrial communications? "Every man and woman who reaches the higher levels of spiritual and intellectual development," Dr. Hiler said calmly, "feels the presence of a Higher Intelligence. Our theories are all unproven. Socrates called it his daemon. Others call it gods or angels. Leary calls it extraterrestrial. Maybe it's just another part of our brain, a part we usually don't use. Who knows?")Since everybody in the room at this point had either had the required experience, or was willing to speculate about it and study it objectively rather than merely banishing it with the label "hallucination," I went into my rap about the parallels between Leary and Wilhelm Reich. "The attempt to destroy both Dr. Reich and Dr. Leary reached its most intense peak right after they reported their extraterrestrial contacts," I said. "I keep having very weird theories about what that means..."
Grady McMurty nodded vigorously. "That's the $64,000 question," he said emphatically. "For years I've been asking Phylis and everybody else I know: why does the gnosis always get busted? Every single time the energy is raised and large-scale group illuminations are occurring, the local branch of the Inquisition kills it dead. Why, why, why?"
Nobody had any very conclusive ideas.
"I'll tell you what I think," Grady said. "There's war in Heaven. The Higher Intelligences, whoever they are, aren't all playing on the same team. Some of them are trying to encourage our evolution to higher levels, and some of them want to keep us stuck just where we are."
According to Grady, some occult lodges are working with those nonhuman intelligences who want to accelerate human evolution, but some of the others are working with the intelligences who wish to keep us near an animal level of awareness.
This is a standard idea in occult circles and it can safely be stated, without
exaggeration, that every "school" or "lodge of adepts that exists is regarded, by some of the others, as belonging to the Black Brotherhood of the evil path. Grady's own Ordo Templi Orientis, indeed, has been accused of this more often than have most other occult lodges. I have personally maintained my good cheer and staved off paranoia, while moving among various occult groups as student or participant, by always adhering rigidly to the standard Anglo-Saxon legal maxim that every accused person must be regarded as innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. This obviously spares me a lot of worry, but the more guarded approach is very well argued by Isaac Bonewitz, the author of Real Magick."Paranoid magicians outlive the others," Isaac says.
Somehow the conversation drifted away from Grady's concept of "war in Heaven." Several times, Grady tried to steer us back there, but each time we wandered on to a different subject. Tom said later that he felt a presence in the room deliberately pushing us away from that topic...
Dr. H. -- the psychiatrist whose bad acid-trip had started the Crowleymas party off so jumpily for me -- dropped by the next day, to thank me for "talking him down" from his anxiety attack. He also, it soon appeared, wanted to tell me about his accelerating experiences with magick. It had
started over two years earlier, after an intensive seminar at Esalen. Dr. H. suddenly found that he couldsee "auras." (The aura of the human body, known to shamans and witches since time immemorial, has been repeatedly rediscovered by scientists, most of whom were thereupon denounced as "cranks." Franz Anton Mesmer called it "animal magnetism," in the 16th century. In the 19th, Baron Reichenbach called it "OD." In the 1920s, Gurvich named it "the mytogenic ray." Wilhelm Reich rediscovered it in the 1930s, called it "orgone energy," and was destroyed by AMA bigots who charged that he was hallucinating it. Kirlian photography has now demonstrated beyond all doubt that this aura exists.) Dr. H. soon found, further, that he could use the aura as a diagnostic tool in analyzing new patients. This experience, Leary's books, and a lecture by me on Crowley's magick, led him to further experiments.On a beach in Sonoma County, after taking LSD the day before and programming an opening of the self to higher beings or energies, Dr. H. (no longer under the direct influence of the drug) had an experience
with Something from the sky. "It wasn't exactly a Higher Intelligence," he said carefully, "or, at least, I didn't receive that aspect of it, if it was Higher Intelligence. To me, it was just energy. Terrible energy. My chest was sore for hours afterward. I thought it would kill me, but I was absolutely ecstatic and egoless at the peak of it. If the chest-pain weren't so intense, it would have been a totally positive experience."(MacGregor Mathers, Outer Head of the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, and the first occult teacher of such worthies as Aleister Crowley, poet William Butler Yeats and novelist Arthur Machen, once recorded a meeting with the Secret Chiefs. These ambiguous entities, known in several schools of occult training, are variously believed to be discarnate spirits of the great Magi of the past, living Magi who can teleport themselves about as easily as you or I telephone a friend, "angels" in the traditional sense, or merely "beings we cannot understand." In any case, Mathers noted that the meeting, although pleasant, left him feeling as if he'd been "struck by lightning" and he also suffered chest pains and extreme difficulty in breathing. Dr. Israel Regardie has also noted that Alan Bennett, who was Crowley's chief teacher for many years, developed asthma, a chest disease. Crowley developed asthma himself as his contacts with the Secret Chiefs occurred more often; and Regardie finally "caught" asthma for several years after studying with Crowley, a condition which was only cured when he went through the bioenergetic therapy of Wilhelm Reich.) [As an interesting synchronistic aside here, Brother Whitley
Strieber, the alleged Space Alien Abductee and prolific author on such topics, also suffers from quite a touch of asthma. Coincidence...? -B:.B:.]"
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Radiation poisoning?
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My experiences are private on this matter, but I will state that asthma is not the only side-effect of these experiences.
The actual chest pain is a condition which no one really has an answer for it's called costochondritis and I had at the exact same time
as such experiences you describe. Bleeding noses, Missing Time, it's a nightmare in it's own way. People make it out to be this egoistic thing
you have no idea how many times I thought I was going to die or thought I was going insane. In a sense during such experiences you become
envious around your friends simply for having a simple life. Birth pangs I suppose, worth it to me now. But...yeah not fun. I just wish I had
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I am hosting a big birthday party today, so this is going to be brief....
Chest pain- costocondritis is pain out side of the lungs. It feels like a heart attack I suppose, haven't had a HA, so I'm not sure. But dr says so. It is caused in most cases by emotional stress and strain, conditions that force a person to hold themselves in a certain pattern, meaning that an event that is interpreted as threatening, makes a being closed and ridged, holding a specific muscular pattern which over time is going to wear on ligaments, and tissue, inflaming them ( most ailments all are inflammatory!) causing the little nerves to react and scream. I had this happen to me for the first time a few weeks ago, and thought I was dying, even though I am extremely healthy.
Asthma pain is inside the lungs.
The lungs produce enzymes that are psychotropic, Dmt for example.As a child I would have attacks, which were sometimes emotionally triggered ( ie crying) and some which were environmental triggered (ie cat dander). For me their was a distinct difference in the types of asthma, emotionally triggered asthma would produce vividly colorful geometric forms, in my visual cortex...I would see things. Depending on my emotional state these forms would be perceived as something beautiful and helpful ( like an angel) or some parasitic thing seen under an electron microscope ( deamon).
I have an extremely low base heart rate and respiration rate, and I have learned how to self regulate, in most cases so that if for example someone says something to me that would elicite an extreme emotional reaction, like getting flustered if a really cool guy says hi to me, or I catch some dork spying.....I am not swept away by chemicals manufactured in my own body, chemicals which cloud thinking and reality and make me misinterpet the truth of the situation.
I have never had any experience which could be considered abduction, or extraterrestrial ( horrible word IMO, doesn't really mean much to me, but I understand why some use it).
I did have a reoccurring sensation as a child in bed in the dark, alone. It would start out in a darkness that was darker then my room, (a darker shade would incapsil me) I would feel a slight pressure, getting stronger, and what I can only express as a spiraling, coiling sensation that was sourced at my heart and lungs. It was very scary at first, and their were visuals as well. As this sensation became more common, and I knew I was gonna be ok, I got over the scary part.I also would experience a large group of forms, not human, more like structured light. With this vision, I would have the sensation og fingers and toes tingling, Lack of oxygen, and poor circulation. I remember never wanting to tell anyone about this in my family because I was afraid. I did say somthing once, when as a child I saw a strange comic book hero tv show...Shazam! When I told my mother that I had experiences like that....
Well that's when I had to go play guinea pig for a while, or voodoo doll is actually a better visual.I am supposed to take daily mess for my allergies and asthma. I don't like that, and I always thought, if ww3 ever went down, and I couldn't get my meds, I am as good as dead. I didn't like that thought, not one bit, so that was when I decide to apply myself to health education and took all those courses on holistic healing and alternative medicine.
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I've been informed that pure, uncut heroin and cocaine will reverse the symptoms of asthma, and bronchitis, forgot which respectively.
I've also been informed that they can cause serious addiction. However, for the last twenty years or more of his life, he used at least heroin daily, right there with some of his most powerful workings for those who know, and cocaine as well, daily though, I am not aware.
He expressed that his condition was from being out, many a night, in the cold air that England has after dark.
One never knows about such things. And since every man and every woman is a star, he might have just had enough of his station as Crowley, (as a soldier of Light,) and because he picked up on how powerful he would be, designed a way for himself to pass on through the veil of death to his next, more powerful incarnation. (Despite how old he would have been when he devised such methods of slingshotting through the veil of death and after-death.)
I like cake.
Frankie
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I bet thy pardon, miss Gita. But the Beast was a man through and through, to my knowledge preferring to be one. Not saying he didn't have a beautiful, poetic and sophisticated feminine side.
And let's have less sexual slurs on this forum, huh?
Pardon me, but I have to go drink, get high, make breakfast, get tooted, so I can be ready for work at nine.
Have yerself a wonderful day. And remember, as Anubis says, "Falcon, Disc of the Sun, Wavy Line, Auramoth heiroglyph." It's the best fkin advice I've heard all century.
Frankie
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@Patthana Gati said
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@ThelemicMage said
"However, for the last twenty years or more of his life, he used at least heroin daily. "He used Cannabis for his asthma before the UK banned it, and he was prescribed morphine instead. He was another victim of prohibition.
It's probably one of the many reasons why he preferred to be abroad."
Frankie,
Did you really think she said to be " a broad " ? As in a lady...or are you being puny?Abroad, meaning in this case, any place but England ( possibly Europe ).
IMO, asthma should not be treated with such strong drugs. Asthma can be controlled with completely holistic means, don't let the drug pushers ( ie dr. And Rx co. ) tell you other wise!
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To keep silence. IMO is the recognize the dark side of the soul.
It is very difficult to describe, but when you find the light- shadows will be cast and you must keep this close to you- for here is wisdom.I can put it in many ways- however it will take all night.
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Ladies, I toot about daily. You must think I'm really stupid to not catch that I was being punny about this!
(toot)
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@Patthana Gati said
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@ThelemicMage said
"Ladies, I toot about daily. You must think I'm really stupid to not catch that I was being punny about this! "'Broad' is just not a part of my daily vocabulary mate (not being American and never visiting New York). I just didn't get your pun.
"I didn't get it either at first.
I figured you were all tooted on something Frankie,
Which is why I reread,
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Speaking of being tooted, I'm all out of corn and have to make my breakfast with beans.
Now this thread has gone to it's subject's opposite.
(toot/toot..)
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Interesting article. Funny about the acid trip. The Doc simply took bad sh-t. There's a synthetic amphetamine called DOB (Dimethoxybromoamphetamine) which is used as a substitute in, I'd say, 75-85% of what is circulated as LSD today. It is a powerful and toxic amphetamine, and has highly hallucinogenic properties, much like STP. The amphetamine overworked the Doctor's cardiovascular system, and he "failed to integrate with the inner world," or whatever his trip agenda was.
He would have been better off doing pranayama on a rock in the middle of the river. Drugs are useful, at times, but no shortcut.
Good conversation at points. I tend to agree that these "beings" are transdimensional. All of my experiences have been in different dimensions. However there is no reason to doubt that there exist extraterrestrial beings in our physical universe.
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@Patthana Gati said
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@ThelemicMage said
"However, for the last twenty years or more of his life, he used at least heroin daily. "He used Cannabis for his asthma before the UK banned it, and he was prescribed morphine instead. He was another victim of prohibition.
It's probably one of the many reasons why he preferred to be abroad."
Cannabis does not assist asthma. Fact. Opiates have a direct antitussive action on the lungs, through the cardiovascular system. He used heroin because he was a junkie, and through it he wrote some of the best literature of the English language. (Much of Nietzsche's later and best work was also written under the influence of heroin.) The fact that he was an addict (Crowley) does not invalidate his work. He used a variety of different compounds and did valuable research on plants such as cannabis and peyote long before our current preoccupation with "drugs."
To tie these matters in with the nature of this thread, I once had an experience on cannabis where I "perceived the essential silence of the universe."
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Yes. A lot of people have found that the anxiety-reducing and relaxing effects (of modest quantities) are quite helpful for this asthma.
Of course, smoking it - smoking anything - won't help asthma! But that's all about the delivery method.
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@Patthana Gati said
"Where do you get your facts from?"
Bitter and prolonged experience.
"Cannabis is a bronchial dilator. It can prevent an asthma attack and it was widely prescribed to asthmatics until it was prohibited from sale in 1928 and doctors started to prescribe morphine instead, ironically. Cannabis used to come in a tincture (like cough medicine) and was thought safe enough to give to children with colds and the flu, or women in childbirth (Queen Victoria recommended it)."
It has a weak antitussive action, but nothing like an opium-based compound.
@Jim Eshelman said
"Yes. A lot of people have found that the anxiety-reducing and relaxing effects (of modest quantities) are quite helpful for this asthma.
Of course, smoking it - smoking anything - won't help asthma! But that's all about the delivery method."
You have a point. I was speaking more from a personal level. I can see how the calming effects would assist asthmatics.