Working with Qliphothic Energy's in the later grades.
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Metzareph and luxinhominefactum and Jims comments on some thing in another post that made me think of some thing.
There is a quote Liber Tzaddi that grabs my attention,
- But since one is naturally attracted to the Angel, another to the Demon, let the first strengthen the lower link, the last attach more firmly to the higher
I am curious what workings in Thelema when one does get to the point of working with the "Darker" Qliphothic forces is there?
Is it a reversal of some of the working in Thelema?
I mean this in the final workings in the grade or 5=8 or some thing else,I believe Metzareph said?
PS I really dont mean to make ever post about some thing "Dark" that is restrictive I feel but this did come to mind.
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Metzareph and luxinhominefactum and Jims comments on some thing in another post that made me think of some thing.
There is a quote Liber Tzaddi that grabs my attention,
- But since one is naturally attracted to the Angel, another to the Demon, let the first strengthen the lower link, the last attach more firmly to the higher
I am curious what workings in Thelema when one does get to the point of working with the "Darker" Qliphothic forces is there?
Is it a reversal of some of the working in Thelema?
I mean this in the final workings in the grade or 5=8 or some thing else,I believe Metzareph said?
PS I really dont mean to make ever post about some thing "Dark" that is restrictive I feel but this did come to mind.
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Metzareph and luxinhominefactum and Jims comments on some thing in another post that made me think of some thing.
There is a quote Liber Tzaddi that grabs my attention,
- But since one is naturally attracted to the Angel, another to the Demon, let the first strengthen the lower link, the last attach more firmly to the higher
I am curious what workings in Thelema when one does get to the point of working with the "Darker" Qliphothic forces is there?
Is it a reversal of some of the working in Thelema?
I mean this in the final workings in the grade or 5=8 or some thing else,I believe Metzareph said?
PS I really dont mean to make ever post about some thing "Dark" that is restrictive I feel but this did come to mind.
Reading this I realize the need that people check out what people who have seriously investigated the qliphoth has to say and then if they are interested go about and investigate it themselves.
The only two books I can recommend is Qabalah, Qliphoth and Goetic Magic by Thomas Karlsson and Nightside of Eden by Kenneth Grant, both in the Left Hand Path tradition.Depending on the system of initiation, the goals one has set up and so on, the attitude to the qliphoth and the nightside aswell as the practical details on how one will try to encounter it will be dramatically different. The nightside demons can either be allies or foes.
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Metzareph and luxinhominefactum and Jims comments on some thing in another post that made me think of some thing.
There is a quote Liber Tzaddi that grabs my attention,
- But since one is naturally attracted to the Angel, another to the Demon, let the first strengthen the lower link, the last attach more firmly to the higher
I am curious what workings in Thelema when one does get to the point of working with the "Darker" Qliphothic forces is there?
Is it a reversal of some of the working in Thelema?
I mean this in the final workings in the grade or 5=8 or some thing else,I believe Metzareph said?
PS I really dont mean to make ever post about some thing "Dark" that is restrictive I feel but this did come to mind.
@atlantis said
"Reading this I realize the need that people check out what people who have seriously investigated the qliphoth has to say and then if they are interested go about and investigate it themselves.
The only two books I can recommend is Qabalah, Qliphoth and Goetic Magic by Thomas Karlsson and Nightside of Eden by Kenneth Grant, both in the Left Hand Path tradition.Depending on the system of initiation, the goals one has set up and so on, the attitude to the qliphoth and the nightside aswell as the practical details on how one will try to encounter it will be dramatically different. The nightside demons can either be allies or foes."
What about Ankhhape? LOL!! -
Metzareph and luxinhominefactum and Jims comments on some thing in another post that made me think of some thing.
There is a quote Liber Tzaddi that grabs my attention,
- But since one is naturally attracted to the Angel, another to the Demon, let the first strengthen the lower link, the last attach more firmly to the higher
I am curious what workings in Thelema when one does get to the point of working with the "Darker" Qliphothic forces is there?
Is it a reversal of some of the working in Thelema?
I mean this in the final workings in the grade or 5=8 or some thing else,I believe Metzareph said?
PS I really dont mean to make ever post about some thing "Dark" that is restrictive I feel but this did come to mind.
I am in no way looking down on your contribution, I am here adressing the posters in this thread in general. There is a general prejudice that stems from Crowley and many others before him around the subject.
Incidently, your general notes in the beginning, where you state things like "The main way that the Qliphoth receive energy from people in general is through the viral meme that is called Ego." would only fit some of the views on qliphoth.
I would say that the ego primarily derives from the sephiroth, but that there are qliphotic parts of it.
Personally, I favor the more objective presentation by Thomas Karlsson in Qabalah, Qliphoth and Goetic Magic on different qabalistic views on the qliphoth.
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Metzareph and luxinhominefactum and Jims comments on some thing in another post that made me think of some thing.
There is a quote Liber Tzaddi that grabs my attention,
- But since one is naturally attracted to the Angel, another to the Demon, let the first strengthen the lower link, the last attach more firmly to the higher
I am curious what workings in Thelema when one does get to the point of working with the "Darker" Qliphothic forces is there?
Is it a reversal of some of the working in Thelema?
I mean this in the final workings in the grade or 5=8 or some thing else,I believe Metzareph said?
PS I really dont mean to make ever post about some thing "Dark" that is restrictive I feel but this did come to mind.
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Metzareph and luxinhominefactum and Jims comments on some thing in another post that made me think of some thing.
There is a quote Liber Tzaddi that grabs my attention,
- But since one is naturally attracted to the Angel, another to the Demon, let the first strengthen the lower link, the last attach more firmly to the higher
I am curious what workings in Thelema when one does get to the point of working with the "Darker" Qliphothic forces is there?
Is it a reversal of some of the working in Thelema?
I mean this in the final workings in the grade or 5=8 or some thing else,I believe Metzareph said?
PS I really dont mean to make ever post about some thing "Dark" that is restrictive I feel but this did come to mind.
@kasper81 said
"Also what are the vices of each sephiroth/grade?"
They're in a standard table in 777 and similar references.
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Metzareph and luxinhominefactum and Jims comments on some thing in another post that made me think of some thing.
There is a quote Liber Tzaddi that grabs my attention,
- But since one is naturally attracted to the Angel, another to the Demon, let the first strengthen the lower link, the last attach more firmly to the higher
I am curious what workings in Thelema when one does get to the point of working with the "Darker" Qliphothic forces is there?
Is it a reversal of some of the working in Thelema?
I mean this in the final workings in the grade or 5=8 or some thing else,I believe Metzareph said?
PS I really dont mean to make ever post about some thing "Dark" that is restrictive I feel but this did come to mind.
Yes. Same principle, different expression.
PS - You could consider buying books
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Metzareph and luxinhominefactum and Jims comments on some thing in another post that made me think of some thing.
There is a quote Liber Tzaddi that grabs my attention,
- But since one is naturally attracted to the Angel, another to the Demon, let the first strengthen the lower link, the last attach more firmly to the higher
I am curious what workings in Thelema when one does get to the point of working with the "Darker" Qliphothic forces is there?
Is it a reversal of some of the working in Thelema?
I mean this in the final workings in the grade or 5=8 or some thing else,I believe Metzareph said?
PS I really dont mean to make ever post about some thing "Dark" that is restrictive I feel but this did come to mind.
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Metzareph and luxinhominefactum and Jims comments on some thing in another post that made me think of some thing.
There is a quote Liber Tzaddi that grabs my attention,
- But since one is naturally attracted to the Angel, another to the Demon, let the first strengthen the lower link, the last attach more firmly to the higher
I am curious what workings in Thelema when one does get to the point of working with the "Darker" Qliphothic forces is there?
Is it a reversal of some of the working in Thelema?
I mean this in the final workings in the grade or 5=8 or some thing else,I believe Metzareph said?
PS I really dont mean to make ever post about some thing "Dark" that is restrictive I feel but this did come to mind.