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Images of the Gods in Liber Resh vel Helios

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    ThelemicMage
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    That sounds right, assuming the god-forms of the four gods of the Helios quarters.

    When you assume the god-form, it is like you are actually taking the active role of the god, as well as connecting to them standing in the solar barque.

    Your consciousness connects to them in different places, so your mind's eye can be several places at once, aligning to the Sun and the places of the gods. It really provides a broader view of our planet, the sun, the space around us, and the movement of all of it, so you kind of aren't just in one place at one time.

    When adoring the midnight sun, I can feel the active role of Khephra rolling the cashed ball of energy of the previous day, through the watery process of regeneration, into the new rising sun for the next day. I also am assuming his role in the barque that is more of an "overhead" view of everything I just explained.

    Does this sound right, Jim?

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    Jim Eshelman
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    @MMe said

    "I understood that I had to visualize myself in the god-form and the god in the solar boat with Tahuti and Ra-Hoor in the various quarters... Is it wrong?"

    There's nothing else specified by Liber Resh itself. Of course, many things come spontaneously, but that's different from postulating that there is a further fixed standard to which you have to comply.

    I'm certain I've never used that particular visualization in 30+ years of doing Liber Resh FWIW.

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    @Jim Eshelman said

    "I'm certain I've never used that particular visualization in 30+ years of doing Liber Resh FWIW."

    You "only" facing the quarter, greet the Sun, give the sign and assume the god-form, right?

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    Jim Eshelman
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    @MMe said

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    @Jim Eshelman said
    "I'm certain I've never used that particular visualization in 30+ years of doing Liber Resh FWIW."

    You "only" facing the quarter, greet the Sun, give the sign and assume the god-form, right?"

    Going literally out of Liber Resh:

    Face the direction of the Sun.
    Assume "the God-form of Whom thou adorest."
    Give the sign of my grade.
    Recite the verse specified.
    Give the Sign of Silence.
    Recite the adoration handed "taught [me] by [my] Superior," which is Unity etc. while standing in the Sign of Osiris Risen, and concluding again with the Sign of Silence.

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    ThelemicMage
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    I'd say whatever means most to you.

    Whatever connects strongest with you. There's no wrong way to do this if the instructions are followed and the true will comes through for the adoration, seeing in yourself aspects of these different gods and what they truly mean to you.

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    MMe
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    Ok! πŸ˜€
    Mr Eshelman and ThelemicMage, I am very grateful for the explanations.

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    MMe
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    After a few days of practice, I'm back πŸ˜€

    @Jim Eshelman said

    "
    Going literally out of Liber Resh:

    Face the direction of the Sun.
    Assume "the God-form of Whom thou adorest."
    Give the sign of my grade.
    Recite the verse specified.
    Give the Sign of Silence.
    Recite the adoration handed "taught [me] by [my] Superior," which is Unity etc. while standing in the Sign of Osiris Risen, and concluding again with the Sign of Silence."

    Ok, I understand almost everything, but when I say, for e.g. at the dawn:

    "
    [...] who travellest over the Heavens in Thy bark at the Uprising of the Sun.
    Tahuti standeth in His splendour at the prow, and Ra-Hoor abideth at the helm. [...]
    "

    I don't have to visualize the sunboat with Tahuti and Ra-Hoor?
    Or in the Adoration which follows, I don't have to visualize Ra, Tum, Khephra, Hathoor, Mentu, Ankh-af-na-khonsu, etc...
    I just need to visualize the sun?

    Thanks.

    Excuse me, but I'm a little confused... 😊

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    Jim Eshelman
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    Already answered.

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    Mephisto
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    @__THE_HERMIT__ said

    "Liber Resh is a very significant ritual to me because it is directly related to the geometry of the cosmos, in this case the rotation of the earth on its axis, while other seasonal rituals are related to the orbit of the earth round the Sun i.e especially the equinoxes and the solstices, this culmulatively implies that being aware of oneΒ΄s position in relation to the cosmos at all times is important. I postulate ultimately mutable things may be understood/categorized in terms of position and relative accelaration, and hence Liber Resh is one point of intersection possibly between a more secular and geometric perspective and Magick."

    What he said. πŸ˜„

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    Fr Bzalel
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    93 93/93

    I've used to perform the short form of Liber Resh vel Helios (as Regardie said in his "One Year Manual") with these below images. I've printed and pasted them in my temple's walls. but now I saw Jim's post which says they do not correspondes elemental.

    BTW, Images are as below (Thanks Sarah Riley)

    arahriley.deviantart.com/art/Air-67333495
    arahriley.deviantart.com/art/Fire-67334620
    arahriley.deviantart.com/art/Water-67335879
    arahriley.deviantart.com/art/Earth-67337147

    eimei93.deviantart.com/art/Liber-Resh-Vel-Helios-302091342

    (and Thank u Seimei93)

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    @Jim Eshelman said

    "I repeat to my standard recommendation: Get one or two great full-color coffee table books on Egyptian gods, and find a picture that speaks to you. These are not standardized at all, and everybody should find their own."

    I agree Jim. I love to look at art books.

    Even better, if you are lucky enough to live near a museum with a collection of Egyptian art, or have the means to travel to Egypt, this will be more powerful than looking at reproductions in a book.

    In the USA, there are major collections of Egyptian art at the Metropolitan Museum in New York, the Brooklyn Museum of Art, the Museum of Fine Arts, Boston, the Oriental Institute in Chicago, the Rosicrucian Egyptian Museum in San Jose, California, and others

    In Canada, there is the Royal Ontario Museum in Toronto.

    Of course in Europe there are many collections, the British Museum, the Louvre, the Egyptian Museum in Berlin, many others.

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    Laura Marx
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    Does anyone have any opinions on the alternative Liber Resh by Tyger Brightfield? I found it in some OTO publication, just wondering your thoughts. They call it a 'feline Resh', it uses Bast, Sekhmet and Ra. Here's the text quoted:

    "Dawn
    Welcome, O Bast, thou Left Eye of Ra
    Flexing thy claws to awake from the night
    Welcome, O Sekhmet, thou Right eye of Ra
    Yawning and stretching to bring in the light
    We greet thee, Bright Ones, from the abodes of night.
    Noon
    Bright Eye of Ra, burning above
    Bast stares down relentlessly
    Fierce Eye of Ra, destroyer of shadows
    Sekhmet watches patiently
    We greet thee, Burning Ones, from the abodes of morning.
    Sunset
    Magnificent Bast, Left Eye of Ra
    Purring into softening light
    Majestic Sekhmet, Right Eye of Ra
    Relaxing into golden motion
    We greet thee, Beautiful Ones, from the abodes of day.
    Midnight
    The Left Eye of Ra is closed.
    Bast hunts.
    The Right Eye of Ra is closed.
    Sekhmet prowls.
    We greet thee, Fierce Ones, from the abodes of evening"

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    Jim Eshelman
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    No opinion per se, except that it isn't Liber Resh πŸ˜„

    It's a solar adoration - but it's a misnomer to call it Resh. (Nothing against alternative solar adorations: See my Liber Shemesh in my new book Pearls of Wisdom.

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    Corvinae
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    It reminded me of an anamorphic tribal oath I liked.......( I was not ever into that anamorphic scene but a friend was, so I am guilty by association, the only thing I found of value in it was this oath)

    "I am darkness and light,
    the shadow hunter
    and king of the sun,
    my claws hold the earth,
    my tongue tastes the sky.
    i am steadfast and strong,
    compassionate and caring.
    i am tiger,
    and my words are pure."

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    Laura Marx
    replied to AliceKnewIt on last edited by
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    "No opinion per se, except that it isn't Liber Resh "

    Hahaha, oh, gosh. 😊 Of course!

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    DavidH
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    93!

    I searched through the thread and ITC issues and could not find a direct answer to this. When "performing" Resh and giving the "sign of your grade," are you visualizing the God form in your exact body position? So, instead of seeing the God in it's characteristic stance, you would instead see it in your grade sign?

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    Jim Eshelman
    replied to AliceKnewIt on last edited by
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    Yes.

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    Quaestor Lucis
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    And I always thought that when I physically stand in the Sign of Grade (with eyes closed), I should imagine the God in it's characteristic posture. 😞
    If I'm wrong then what happens with the God-form when I change my physical posture? When should I release it?

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    Jim Eshelman
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    @Quaestor Lucis said

    "And I always thought that when I physically stand in the Sign of Grade (with eyes closed), I should imagine the God in it's characteristic posture. 😞
    If I'm wrong then what happens with the God-form when I change my physical posture? When should I release it?"

    When assuming a god-form, you should experience it as your body. Its position should be your physical position unless you are withdrawing from it. When you change position, it also changes position.

    It's like your robe. Your robe doesn't keep its arms at its side when you raise yours, right? - But, even more so, it's your body, and you should entirely experience it as being your body, so far as possible.

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    Quaestor Lucis
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    I understood, thank you πŸ˜€

    God-form assumed throughout the whole ritual? And the God-form is the only thing that I need to visualize in Liber Resh, right?

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