"Downwards" initiation?
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@P is for Pomegranate said
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@Archaeus said
"and look where it got him"Kinda my point
"Thought it might have been, and the episode brings to mind Crowley's comments on the subject; that in seeking to turn the tree on it's head he simply demonstrated that he had never understood its true meaning.
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A useful meditation for an Ippissimus, perhaps. Beforehand, seemingly prone to provoke unbalance, too soon and out of perspective.
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@Archaeus said
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@P is for Pomegranate said
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@Archaeus said
"and look where it got him"Kinda my point
"Thought it might have been, and the episode brings to mind Crowley's comments on the subject; that in seeking to turn the tree on it's head he simply demonstrated that he had never understood its true meaning."
That seems again another different thing... an inverted tree, so we still go upwards? Achad had even weirder ideas than me probably. Nice to read the Crowley comentary.
What i really mean gets clearer though: it's a kind of perspective where you consider you're already in Kether. Like that school of Yoga which say basically "there is no way", "everything has already happened" you see? So you're there, Ipsissimus, and the "way" is illusion from the start, but you do it anyway as it has to be done(?). When you do it, as you're already at the highest, you can only go down.
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@Archaeus said
"*I reveal unto you a great mystery. Ye stand between the abyss of height and the abyss of depth.
In either awaits you a Companion; and that Companion is Yourself.
Ye can have no other Companion.
Many have arisen, being wise. They have said «Seek out the glittering Image in the place ever golden, and unite yourselves with It.»
Many have arisen, being foolish. They have said, «Stoop down unto the darkly splendid world, and be wedded to that Blind Creature of the Slime.»
I who am beyond Wisdom and Folly, arise and say unto you: achieve both weddings! Unite yourselves with both!
Beware, beware, I say, lest ye seek after the one and lose the other!
My adepts stand upright; their head above the heavens, their feet below the hells.
But since one is naturally attracted to the Angel, another to the Demon, let the first strengthen the lower link, the last attach more firmly to the higher. * Liber Tzaddi 33-41
"Could we say as wedding with HGA occurs with briatic consciousness, wedding with the Demon occurs with yetziratic consciousness? Or is demonic wedding supposed to increase in intensity up to Adepthood?
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The demon is also the hga
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@Frater Horus said
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@Avshalom Binyamin said
"The demon is also the hga"You mean the "good" one(kakodemonos-kalodemonos?), or/and the shadow HGA produces?"
I mean that mincing the hga into bits and pieces only limits it.
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@Avshalom Binyamin said
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@Frater Horus said
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@Avshalom Binyamin said
"The demon is also the hga"You mean the "good" one(kakodemonos-kalodemonos?), or/and the shadow HGA produces?"
I mean that mincing the hga into bits and pieces only limits it."
Agreed, not to mention a waste of time, it's far better to experience it than argue about it.