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  • H Hermes

    In Atziluth everything converge, magick and yoga, and are transmuted into the direct perception of utlimate reality, where object and subject are one. As such, only pure emanations, vibrations, are left and exist. So every mystic who has attained atziluth can potentially communicate in this universal langage directly by intuition, with no limit of time, space, quantity nor quality. Is this right?

    Could we say that transmutation of magick and yoga into qabala is crossing the abyss as such? Or something close to this? ๐Ÿ˜„

    Is an Adept actually able to feel/master this("universal"qabala) to some significant extent already? Percieving directly behind all veils of mind? Using the real power of the planes behind? What type of test could be appropriate for Adept level concerning this type of skill?

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    Fascinating...

    As for estimation of possibly 100 magister in europe, that's awesome, as one can rather easily meet one wherever he lives. It's not like there are three of them, hidden in a cave of himalaya or something. ๐Ÿ˜„

    Would you have an advice/idea concerning how to approach such an initiate? I mean, it might sound dumb but i dont see what could i ask such a "person".

    As the Adept already can guide concerning the highest intellectual stuff and interaction of planes... what type of questions/things could be pertinent to ask/do so that the answer may not be redondant with that a lower grade could give...? ๐Ÿ˜•

    Or could a good idea be just say nothing and enjoy the silence with the master as maybe it is at that thing he is the less redudant with the skill of the lower grades from the point of vue of a non-adept...? ๐Ÿ˜• ๐Ÿ˜„

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    • H Hermes

      In Atziluth everything converge, magick and yoga, and are transmuted into the direct perception of utlimate reality, where object and subject are one. As such, only pure emanations, vibrations, are left and exist. So every mystic who has attained atziluth can potentially communicate in this universal langage directly by intuition, with no limit of time, space, quantity nor quality. Is this right?

      Could we say that transmutation of magick and yoga into qabala is crossing the abyss as such? Or something close to this? ๐Ÿ˜„

      Is an Adept actually able to feel/master this("universal"qabala) to some significant extent already? Percieving directly behind all veils of mind? Using the real power of the planes behind? What type of test could be appropriate for Adept level concerning this type of skill?

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      Jim Eshelman
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      @Frater Horus said

      "Would you have an advice/idea concerning how to approach such an initiate?"

      There is a long-standing teaching that remains true in my experience: They find you when they need you. (I used to say commonly in class, "No, I don't have the phone number of the Secret Chiefs... but they have mine.")

      "Or could a good idea be just say nothing and enjoy the silence with the master as maybe it is at that thing he is the less redudant with the skill of the lower grades from the point of vue of a non-adept...? ๐Ÿ˜• ๐Ÿ˜„"

      There were a couple of times that Soror Meral, when discussing with me a certain individual of the past or present, would remark that they simply didn't have the initiation to be able to recognize a Master (or even an Adept) when they saw one. That sounded right at the time, but it took me many years before it was really obvious how right she was.

      She wasn't just talking about idiots by any means. For example, one of the people we were talking about was Regardie when he first met Crowley as a young man. He could respect him at an intellectual level etc., but really didn't have the capacity to see what was before him, even living with him day to day. He later understood much better in hindsight, when he was very far along the Path.

      PS - I probably grossly over-estimated on that 100. I was trying to be generous. ๐Ÿ‘ฟ

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      • H Hermes

        In Atziluth everything converge, magick and yoga, and are transmuted into the direct perception of utlimate reality, where object and subject are one. As such, only pure emanations, vibrations, are left and exist. So every mystic who has attained atziluth can potentially communicate in this universal langage directly by intuition, with no limit of time, space, quantity nor quality. Is this right?

        Could we say that transmutation of magick and yoga into qabala is crossing the abyss as such? Or something close to this? ๐Ÿ˜„

        Is an Adept actually able to feel/master this("universal"qabala) to some significant extent already? Percieving directly behind all veils of mind? Using the real power of the planes behind? What type of test could be appropriate for Adept level concerning this type of skill?

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        Hermes
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        @Jim Eshelman said

        "I haven't read Bardon in over 30 years"

        So it was an early reading ๐Ÿ˜„ His system seems interesting to me, and definitely "exotic", it has a pleasing, "special flavor" ! I'd be curious to know how you'd see Bardon's material now, 30 years after ๐Ÿ˜„

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        • H Hermes

          In Atziluth everything converge, magick and yoga, and are transmuted into the direct perception of utlimate reality, where object and subject are one. As such, only pure emanations, vibrations, are left and exist. So every mystic who has attained atziluth can potentially communicate in this universal langage directly by intuition, with no limit of time, space, quantity nor quality. Is this right?

          Could we say that transmutation of magick and yoga into qabala is crossing the abyss as such? Or something close to this? ๐Ÿ˜„

          Is an Adept actually able to feel/master this("universal"qabala) to some significant extent already? Percieving directly behind all veils of mind? Using the real power of the planes behind? What type of test could be appropriate for Adept level concerning this type of skill?

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          His three books are four feet from me as I type. It's not likely touch them in the foreseeable future. They really havenโ€™t anything to do with the work that's mine to do.

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          • H Hermes

            In Atziluth everything converge, magick and yoga, and are transmuted into the direct perception of utlimate reality, where object and subject are one. As such, only pure emanations, vibrations, are left and exist. So every mystic who has attained atziluth can potentially communicate in this universal langage directly by intuition, with no limit of time, space, quantity nor quality. Is this right?

            Could we say that transmutation of magick and yoga into qabala is crossing the abyss as such? Or something close to this? ๐Ÿ˜„

            Is an Adept actually able to feel/master this("universal"qabala) to some significant extent already? Percieving directly behind all veils of mind? Using the real power of the planes behind? What type of test could be appropriate for Adept level concerning this type of skill?

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            All,

            Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

            @Frater Horus said

            "Fascinating... As for estimation of possibly 100 magister in europe"

            You guys seem to have forgotten about something - soon there will be 101 of them in Europe! How on earth could you forget about little me? ๐Ÿ˜‰

            @Frater Horus said

            "Would you have an advice/idea concerning how to approach such an initiate? I mean, it might sound dumb but i dont see what could i ask such a "person"."

            This is really funny and makes me giggle. The thought has never struck you that you are talking to one in this thread already? ๐Ÿ˜† But it doesnโ€™t matter, no matter how knowledgeable you are, you wonโ€™t be able to recognize any Master before your heart is awakened and thoroughly purified.

            Inflame thyself in prayerโ€ฆ

            You are not only unaware of the light within, you are also โ€œblindโ€ and not of the โ€œseeingโ€. True โ€œSightโ€ actually comes from feeling โ€“ thus seeing another human being from oneโ€™s heart. The heart is the gateway to heaven, se the paths on the Tree of lifeโ€™s, at the center of all โ€“ there it is โ€“ there is Tipharet the Son, directly connected with Kether the Father! It will thus be a manโ€™s awakened heart recognizing the Master, not oneโ€™s head.

            Therefore as Mr. Eshelman has said:

            It was sometimes frustrating to Soror Meral, and is sometimes frustrating to me, that so many people skip right past thinking of the Adept stage - the K&C of the HGA - which is real target of mature development in the Aeon of Horus.

            @Jim Eshelman said

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            @Frater Horus said
            "Would you have an advice/idea concerning how to approach such an initiate?"
            There is a long-standing teaching that remains true in my experience: They find you when they need you. (I used to say commonly in class, "No, I don't have the phone number of the Secret Chiefs... but they have mine."."

            And thatโ€™s how it worksโ€ฆ I had never met a real Master in my whole life (not that I had been aware of) and now last year, when I almost was about to hang myself, I suddenly stumble upon one and was able to move on with my initiation. It was no mere coincidence that I myself was pulled towards these forumsโ€ฆ It was perfectly arranged...

            It makes no difference for anyone if he is able to recognize a Master (I simply donโ€™t care even though Iโ€™m aware of one of these cute little โ€œthumb-suckersโ€! ๐Ÿ˜‰ ) The Master is like a beacon of light, a blessing, working on everybody in his immediate surroundings whenever they are aware of it or not. Also, Crowley an Ipsissimus, 10=1, the prophet of this new aeon, the word of God incarnated! โ€“ is available in a simple bookstore โ€“ itโ€™s all there โ€“ this one single-pointed piece of advice:

            The K & C with oneโ€™s HGA

            Everything else is simply black magick and a waste of timeโ€ฆ There are no intelligent or special questions to be asked of a Master because his reply (if truly a Master) will always in a sense reflect the answer: โ€œHow does this question help you in achieving this single-pointed goal?โ€ Moving you closer to itโ€ฆ

            When this goal is achieved, in reality, all has then been achieved.

            Love is the law, love under will.

            Peace

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            • H Hermes

              In Atziluth everything converge, magick and yoga, and are transmuted into the direct perception of utlimate reality, where object and subject are one. As such, only pure emanations, vibrations, are left and exist. So every mystic who has attained atziluth can potentially communicate in this universal langage directly by intuition, with no limit of time, space, quantity nor quality. Is this right?

              Could we say that transmutation of magick and yoga into qabala is crossing the abyss as such? Or something close to this? ๐Ÿ˜„

              Is an Adept actually able to feel/master this("universal"qabala) to some significant extent already? Percieving directly behind all veils of mind? Using the real power of the planes behind? What type of test could be appropriate for Adept level concerning this type of skill?

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              Nice post Hawkheaded Child. ๐Ÿ˜„

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              • H Hermes

                In Atziluth everything converge, magick and yoga, and are transmuted into the direct perception of utlimate reality, where object and subject are one. As such, only pure emanations, vibrations, are left and exist. So every mystic who has attained atziluth can potentially communicate in this universal langage directly by intuition, with no limit of time, space, quantity nor quality. Is this right?

                Could we say that transmutation of magick and yoga into qabala is crossing the abyss as such? Or something close to this? ๐Ÿ˜„

                Is an Adept actually able to feel/master this("universal"qabala) to some significant extent already? Percieving directly behind all veils of mind? Using the real power of the planes behind? What type of test could be appropriate for Adept level concerning this type of skill?

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                Hermes
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                @Jim Eshelman said

                "His three books are four feet from me as I type. It's not likely touch them in the foreseeable future. They really havenโ€™t anything to do with the work that's mine to do."

                There have been four foot from you for thirty years? ๐Ÿ˜† Maybe they even follow you in the astral, begging to be read ๐Ÿ˜† ๐Ÿ˜†

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                • H Hermes

                  In Atziluth everything converge, magick and yoga, and are transmuted into the direct perception of utlimate reality, where object and subject are one. As such, only pure emanations, vibrations, are left and exist. So every mystic who has attained atziluth can potentially communicate in this universal langage directly by intuition, with no limit of time, space, quantity nor quality. Is this right?

                  Could we say that transmutation of magick and yoga into qabala is crossing the abyss as such? Or something close to this? ๐Ÿ˜„

                  Is an Adept actually able to feel/master this("universal"qabala) to some significant extent already? Percieving directly behind all veils of mind? Using the real power of the planes behind? What type of test could be appropriate for Adept level concerning this type of skill?

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                  @The_Hawkheaded_child said

                  "

                  @Jim Eshelman said

                  "
                  @Frater Horus said
                  "Would you have an advice/idea concerning how to approach such an initiate?"
                  There is a long-standing teaching that remains true in my experience: They find you when they need you. (I used to say commonly in class, "No, I don't have the phone number of the Secret Chiefs... but they have mine."."
                  "

                  Thank you Hawk.

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                  • H Hermes

                    In Atziluth everything converge, magick and yoga, and are transmuted into the direct perception of utlimate reality, where object and subject are one. As such, only pure emanations, vibrations, are left and exist. So every mystic who has attained atziluth can potentially communicate in this universal langage directly by intuition, with no limit of time, space, quantity nor quality. Is this right?

                    Could we say that transmutation of magick and yoga into qabala is crossing the abyss as such? Or something close to this? ๐Ÿ˜„

                    Is an Adept actually able to feel/master this("universal"qabala) to some significant extent already? Percieving directly behind all veils of mind? Using the real power of the planes behind? What type of test could be appropriate for Adept level concerning this type of skill?

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                    Sorry if this is a little off topic, but with the 100 magisters thing, does anyone have an estimate how many people in the US or in the world would be at the 2=9 or 5=6 stage (A.'.A.'.)?

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                    • H Hermes

                      In Atziluth everything converge, magick and yoga, and are transmuted into the direct perception of utlimate reality, where object and subject are one. As such, only pure emanations, vibrations, are left and exist. So every mystic who has attained atziluth can potentially communicate in this universal langage directly by intuition, with no limit of time, space, quantity nor quality. Is this right?

                      Could we say that transmutation of magick and yoga into qabala is crossing the abyss as such? Or something close to this? ๐Ÿ˜„

                      Is an Adept actually able to feel/master this("universal"qabala) to some significant extent already? Percieving directly behind all veils of mind? Using the real power of the planes behind? What type of test could be appropriate for Adept level concerning this type of skill?

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                      @ld330 said

                      "Sorry if this is a little off topic, but with the 100 magisters thing, does anyone have an estimate how many people in the US or in the world would be at the 2=9 or 5=6 stage (A.'.A.'.)?"

                      A lot more ๐Ÿ˜€

                      PS - Are you speaking of that level, or of those who have formally attained through the system?

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                      • H Hermes

                        In Atziluth everything converge, magick and yoga, and are transmuted into the direct perception of utlimate reality, where object and subject are one. As such, only pure emanations, vibrations, are left and exist. So every mystic who has attained atziluth can potentially communicate in this universal langage directly by intuition, with no limit of time, space, quantity nor quality. Is this right?

                        Could we say that transmutation of magick and yoga into qabala is crossing the abyss as such? Or something close to this? ๐Ÿ˜„

                        Is an Adept actually able to feel/master this("universal"qabala) to some significant extent already? Percieving directly behind all veils of mind? Using the real power of the planes behind? What type of test could be appropriate for Adept level concerning this type of skill?

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                        @Jim Eshelman said

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                        @ld330 said
                        "Sorry if this is a little off topic, but with the 100 magisters thing, does anyone have an estimate how many people in the US or in the world would be at the 2=9 or 5=6 stage (A.'.A.'.)?"

                        A lot more ๐Ÿ˜€

                        PS - Are you speaking of that level, or of those who have formally attained through the system?"

                        Haha I figured, Timothy Leary gave a couple of figures for his 8-circuit model in the Intelligence Agents, he said around 2 million Americans were full-on circuit 5/self actualized (which I interpreted as at least 2=9). That was in the 70s though.

                        I'm speaking of the level of awareness of that stage, not just the A.'.A.'. in particular, but that would be interesting too ๐Ÿ˜„

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