"The Vision of Adonai"
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Bethata418, I have only limited experience with the sephirothic visions, so I may not know what I'm talking about here, but...
The visions should result in obtaining gnostic knowledge related to the particular sephiroth, rather than just produce a cool or freaky experience. Given the writing you had going on that precipitated this, you probably got knowledge out of it as well. Did what came out in your essay while in the trance or vision relate to Malkuth in any way?
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yes i felt like what i was writing during that time, i wasnt thinking it, it was given to me and it was happening quicker than i could write. the intensity feeling when i was writing lasted i think for about a hour before i started to see the lights. and also the information i was getting was about the ritual of star ruby, which is a pentagram ritual, but also much more. the pentagram could be seen as of hadit/HGA.
also i was basically told that the star ruby had 5different signs which are the 5NOX signs, which is completely true. but see i learned that ritual through duquettes book, and in his book it speaks of star ruby as having only 4 NOX signs, and this is how i always did it till after this experience. after this i acually asked a friend about it and they kinda laughted at my stupidity, since there are 5 signs! are duquette just completely put down only 4nox signs in his book, which the idea of me fucking up this ritual for years due to his book still upsets me.
but at the time the "vision" happen, what i believe was my HGA showed me there was this pattern of 5 that happened 5 times=25 for liber 25. but the only thing at this time that messed it up was duquette saying to not due mater triumphins, and even before that i knew there were 5 nox signs.AGAPE
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The Vision of Adonai:
http://www.imageswarm.com/thumb/1072.jpeg
cf. www.heruraha.net/viewtopic.php?p=1025#1025
With a tip o' the hat to Uri...
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93,
I was going over the older posts when I came across JAE's comment from December 23:
<i>I find it interesting that the Malkuth phenomenon is called the Vision of Adonai - because for myself, and for every other case for which I've personally known of and for which I have a clear record and enough details, the phenomenon is predominantly auditory. I'm certain, though, that it doesn't matter - some people are more visual, some more auditory, some more kinesthetic, etc. - I would (theoretically) expect the phenomenon to emerge through whichever sense channel is predominant in the individual, and using cues from the distinctive wiring of their minds and nervous systems - I'm just reporting that, in cases actually known to me, the phenomenon was decisively auditory, with occasional "visual support" and occasional kinesthetic cues.</i>
I am not predominantly visual - I'd even say I was a bit dysfunctional in this area. But my own experiences of the sephirothic visions were all visual. For example, while waiting to go through the TOT's Malkuth degree, I found my attention drawn to a notice on the wall of the room where I'd been seated, advising that occupancy of the building by more than X-number of persons was unlawful. As I sat, it seemed as if the notice and/or the wall around it was a window to an unlimited vista. I didn't hear angelic voices, see violet lighting effects or any more than that. In fact, while my conscious mind presented it as an image, it was, maybe, just as much a conceptualisation: that Adonai is endless.
I had other imagery in the next two degrees, but nothing auditory.
My sense is that these "visions" are images the mind generates to present the conceptual reality of a given sephirah. I also wonder if I got images specifically because I am not visually oriented, and so what I do see is all the more memorable for me as a result.
I also think, looking back on the Yesod degree, that I had several 'visions' of the Machinery of the Universe. One or two were specific images, one or two were intellectual realisations or recognitions, so that collectively, I got the Machinery's 'blueprint'. But they all had some visual components, and no auditory ones.
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EM
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Y'know, I'm really glad I was clear that I was speculating in the phrase phrase "I would (theoretically) expect the phenomenon to emerge through whichever sense channel is predominant in the individual." I think you're right that - at least sometimes - it might be exactly the opposite. Usinga less-relied-upon sensory resources is a common tatcit of the mind when it's normal (more habitual) resources fail it in the moment. (Cf. Jung's "inferior function.")
I don't really know if there is a neurological or psychological rule to the matter, except that I'd stick pretty solidly with "using cues from the distinctive wiring of their minds and nervous systems."
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Thanks everyone for your contribution... it cleared a lot of things for me
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93
I underwent an experience during my hiatus from college that I, after reading Jim's book 'The Mystical & Magical System of AA', began to associate with the Vision of Adonai Ha-Aretz. Mine, though, was intensely visual as it occured in a dream.
After a psilocybin experience, during my first attempt at college, in which I was sort of instructed in asana & pranayama(my body did the practices autonomically[I posted this experience in the "Oddest dream in a long time..." thread in 'General Discussion']) I decided I should put some study & practice into Yoga. Well, all I found in my local bookstore was a book called Chakra Therapy. I bought the book. It just sat around for a few months but I soon picked it up & began working with simple asana & pranayama.
A week or so after I began the practices my 'Vision' occured.
As I said, it was in a dream. I was faced with 3 'gods' with names that, at the time, I had never heard. They were positioned in a triangle formation. Their names were written in red arches over their heads. They read Hore(this is how it was spelled), Horus, & Heresy.
If the triangle is imagined as the Supernal Triad then Hore would be at Binah, Horus at Kether & Heresy at Chokmah(in the dream they were all identified as 3 parts of the same 'God' - but in a later meditation, Hore was identified as Babalon & Heresy as Hadit - though this may be an imposition of Ruach. As you can see, I still do not fully understand the attributions)
The dream, I remember, felt as real as waking consciousness, but I was not fearful.
I was made to pass between Hore & Heresy. This act, as I executed it, seemed to have the most profound significance(I didn't know to then, but I now approximate this with the Pillars of Jachim & Boaz). As I approached Horus I was stopped in the center of the triangle & I awoke.
For the next 3 days or so I had absolutely no asthma symptoms - usually something of a daily plague for me. My face shone with light. I was ecstatic!
After the third day I returned to the bookstore, & to my surprise, there was a book that seemed to almost vibrate with energy. I picked it up & saw that it was a book on the Templars - another term I was unfamiliar with at the time.
Within the book's pages I found a reference to Horus - I nearly jumped out of my skin! Well, this book was mentioning Horus in relation to Crowley, so I went out & purchased a copy of Liber L & read it while walking the streets of Memphis...the rest is history.93 93/93
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@KRVB MMShCh said
"93
I underwent an experience during my hiatus from college that I, after reading Jim's book 'The Mystical & Magical System of AA', began to associate with the Vision of Adonai Ha-Aretz. Mine, though, was intensely visual as it occured in a dream.
After a psilocybin experience, during my first attempt at college, in which I was sort of instructed in asana & pranayama(my body did the practices autonomically[I posted this experience in the "Oddest dream in a long time..." thread in 'General Discussion']) I decided I should put some study & practice into Yoga. Well, all I found in my local bookstore was a book called Chakra Therapy. I bought the book. It just sat around for a few months but I soon picked it up & began working with simple asana & pranayama.
A week or so after I began the practices my 'Vision' occured.
As I said, it was in a dream. I was faced with 3 'gods' with names that, at the time, I had never heard. They were positioned in a triangle formation. Their names were written in red arches over their heads. They read Hore(this is how it was spelled), Horus, & Heresy.
If the triangle is imagined as the Supernal Triad then Hore would be at Binah, Horus at Kether & Heresy at Chokmah(in the dream they were all identified as 3 parts of the same 'God' - but in a later meditation, Hore was identified as Babalon & Heresy as Hadit - though this may be an imposition of Ruach. As you can see, I still do not fully understand the attributions)
The dream, I remember, felt as real as waking consciousness, but I was not fearful.
I was made to pass between Hore & Heresy. This act, as I executed it, seemed to have the most profound significance(I didn't know to then, but I now approximate this with the Pillars of Jachim & Boaz). As I approached Horus I was stopped in the center of the triangle & I awoke.
For the next 3 days or so I had absolutely no asthma symptoms - usually something of a daily plague for me. My face shone with light. I was ecstatic!
After the third day I returned to the bookstore, & to my surprise, there was a book that seemed to almost vibrate with energy. I picked it up & saw that it was a book on the Templars - another term I was unfamiliar with at the time.
Within the book's pages I found a reference to Horus - I nearly jumped out of my skin! Well, this book was mentioning Horus in relation to Crowley, so I went out & purchased a copy of Liber L & read it while walking the streets of Memphis...the rest is history.93 93/93
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93 KRVB!
I read & commented on your post about the Serpent People...it is interesting how following their(the Serpent People) cue led you to an experience of this magnitude...are you aware of all of the similarities between this & certain initiation rituals? By oath I am not permitted to disclose the specifics but - wow!
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@Lapis said
"...are you aware of all of the similarities between this & certain initiation rituals? By oath I am not permitted to disclose the specifics but - wow!
93 93/93"93
I have yet to take my Minerval, but it is schedualed for later this month...I have notived some similarities between my Vision & the 0=0 ritual of Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn...
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@RifRaf said
"I didn't want to start an entirely new thread for this question so I bumped this.
In Crowley's "Confessions" he talks about a conversation he had with Allan Bennett. Crowley happened to mention that he had heard that there was a particular method of vibrating the name of "Adonai Ha-Aretz" which summoned the Holy Guardian Angel, in turn "helping" an aspirant achieve "The Vision of Adonai" at the early stages (Malkuth). Although it seems very odd to me I would still like to know if Crowley ever published anything that spoke about this (so far I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else), and if he actually ever went about attempting it.
P.S. I don't have Confessions on me so I will have to look later if reference is needed."
"Other practices were the "assumption of God-forms"; by concentrated imagination of oneself in the symbolic shape of any God, one should be able to identify oneself with the idea which He represents. There there was meditation on simple symbols with the idea of penetrating to their secret meaning. I was also to keep up my practices of astral visions and "rising on the planes", in particular the special official method of invoking Adonai-ha-Aretz. I was also to continue the work Eckenstein had taught me, on his lines"
-Chapter 26???
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