Ye shall gather store of women .
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How about "goods." You left off "goods." "Goods" are good.
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We talking Dowry here?
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gerry 456T
The reason that this female has no opinions is because I am not Thelemic,
don't know what you are really asking, and didn't like the last exchange I had with you.
(No offense, JAE, and everybody else.)
In L.V.X.,
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@Chris Hanlon said
"The reason that this female has no opinions is because I am not Thelemic, don't know what you are really asking, and didn't like the last exchange I had with you."
The (admittedly vaguely stated) question refers to verse 61 of chapter 1 of The Book of the Law, wherein Nuit, the Goddess of Infinite Space, is represented as saying the following:
"But to love me is better than all things: if under the night-stars in the desert thou presently burnest mine incense before me, invoking me with a pure heart, and the Serpent flame therein, thou shalt come a little to lie in my bosom. For one kiss wilt thou then be willing to give all; but whoso gives one particle of dust shall lose all in that hour. Ye shall gather goods and store of women and spices; ye shall wear rich jewels; ye shall exceed the nations of the earth in splendour & pride; but always in the love of me, and so shall ye come to my joy. I charge you earnestly to come before me in a single robe, and covered with a rich headdress. I love you! I yearn to you! Pale or purple, veiled or voluptuous, I who am all pleasure and purple, and drunkenness of the innermost sense, desire you. Put on the wings, and arouse the coiled splendour within you: come unto me!"
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Hi JAE,
Crowley was a great poet. His prose sings like music, like an aria.
The goods are the riches and valuables that a woman is in charge of for the household. The head of the house, the châtelain, had the keys for all the storage of valuables of food and other things. Just another allusion to gviing up all for the kiss of Nuit, or the experience of the divine.
Think that's it?
In L.V.X.,
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@sethur said
"One of the problems with Liber Al is knowing when it is addressed to everyone and when just to Crowley. In this case I think it's addressed to Crowley and should be seen as prophecy, accurate as always."
Except in this case, it says "ye", which is plural; passages addressed to the Prophet use the singular "thou". As a rule -- the notable exception is "Do what thou wilt" -- passages that use "thou" and "thee" are to be read as addressed to the Prophet. Passages with "ye" and "you" are either addressed to the Prophet and his Bride, or to all Thelemites ("ye, o my people"), or to people in general.Of course everything in CCXX has deeper meanings, and there are levels of interpretation where you may take everything as personally addressed to you. But to get to the depths you have to start at the surface, and it helps to have an appreciation of the principles of classical (Early Modern English) grammar as Crowley knew it.
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As a woman, I am left wondering if I am to read this as gather up a bunch of girlfriends, OR should I interpret it as I should gather up a store of men?
I never gave it much thought.
I did originally read it as stocking a larder, or pantry kind of thought
But if I read it wrong and need to gather up a bunch of fellows, ( or fellas) well thats ok too. -
@sethur said
"One of the problems with Liber Al is knowing when it is addressed to everyone and when just to Crowley. In this case I think it's addressed to Crowley and should be seen as prophecy, accurate as always."
Possibly getting a little controversial here (and maybe off-topic somewhat), but IMO none of it applies only for Crowley. I am the prophet of my Aeon, and Beast for my Babalon. The entirety of Liber AL is all about the various stages of the development of this star in this universe. I'll not understand certain portions at certain times because those parts aren't revelationary to my development at that juncture in time and space.
Of course, in your universe, I'm assuming the same thing applies.
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@Chris Hanlon said
"Hi JAE,
Crowley was a great poet. His prose sings like music, like an aria.
The goods are the riches and valuables that a woman is in charge of for the household. The head of the house, the châtelain, had the keys for all the storage of valuables of food and other things. Just another allusion to gviing up all for the kiss of Nuit, or the experience of the divine.
Think that's it?
In L.V.X.,
chrys333"Y'know, I think that's probably the best interpretation of that verse I've seen. Bravo!
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@Seraph said
"Possibly getting a little controversial here (and maybe off-topic somewhat), but IMO none of it applies only for Crowley. I am the prophet of my Aeon, and Beast for my Babalon. The entirety of Liber AL is all about the various stages of the development of this star in this universe. I'll not understand certain portions at certain times because those parts aren't revelationary to my development at that juncture in time and space.
Of course, in your universe, I'm assuming the same thing applies."
Absolutely.
Namaste.
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It means for a woman that she ought to make sure that the right man stocks her up and that under his umbrella she can achieve her Feminine WILL, which is undoubtedly to use her "charms" to manipulate this man into providing her with base material comforts the sort of shallow pointless crap that women like. Shiny stones, fancy garments, new shoes etc. To shaw her off and breed from her a son, that is a continuation of his father's achievements, so than she can wallow in her material things and play her stupid little games of blackmail and envy with her sisters.
Men should store up women, because it is a sign that a man is powerful enough to waste his excess on lower planes, on base material nonsense, like females and the crass things they live for.
Also women can be useful for sex magick, I mean even the best quality ink pen needs something to smear itself on, if it expects to manifest visible signs.
Of course there are ritual formula that avoid contamination with the lower planes all together, if one is so inclined, Certain forms of Eucharist for example. Though some of these deal with the 2 of wands, a card that might give some men apprehension.
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You've posted some off the wall stuff before Froclown, but I think this is one of them that takes the cake.
"providing her with base material comforts the sort of shallow pointless crap that women like. Shiny stones, fancy garments, new shoes etc."
Yes, because that's really what all women want. What a crock. If I had a woman like that I'd dump her like a dead weight off of a burning ship yet somehow I'm married...
