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    @Solitarius said

    "Try reading Kahlil Gibrans book "the Prophet" for a decent and sensitive exegesis on love, as well as everything else."

    ...And the poetry of Jalaluddin Rumi; somewhat older, but the good translations are sublime.

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      I've not read him, I'll give it a look if I can remember the name.
      I have to admit I really like the Muslim world view when you divorce it from Religious dogma, they have a very earthy take on things.

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        @Solitarius said

        "I've not read him, I'll give it a look if I can remember the name.
        I have to admit I really like the Muslim world view when you divorce it from Religious dogma, they have a very earthy take on things."

        Oh absolutely, it's the Sufis that truly are sublime IMO; I see it as simply a synonym - they are merely other words for the same thing. Hearing an eloquent dervish waxing poetic about the ocean of divine love is something else; substitute your favourite goddesses of love and the comparisons of hermetic Qabalah are obvious!

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          You've sold it to me.
          Can you perhaps provide me with a short reading list? I'm not familiar with sufi philosophy and don't really know where to start.

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            ""You are in love with me, I shall make you perplexed.

            Do not build much, for I intend to have you in ruins.
            If you build two hundred houses in a manner that the bees do,
            I shall make you as homeless as a fly.
            If you are the mount Qaf in stability.
            I shall make you whirl like a millstone."

            --- Rumi"

            A beloved older soror of the BOTA turned me on to Rumi. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful...

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              From what I hear, Rumi had a rather extensive harem. 😀 😉

              "You've been unlucky in love. I'm guessing you're single, perhaps recently."

              Or perhaps the good Froclown was providing a much needed counterpoint to this "flaccid" discussion.

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                @JPF said

                "From what I hear, Rumi had a rather extensive harem. 😀 😉 "

                Little is made of how Rumi lived his life, but he was wealthy, and had at least one son, so it's not beyond what would have been expected of him as a 13th Century scholar. I didn't know that.

                A quote that I'm always reminded of is that Sufis are not in any way against owning things, but they are totally set against being owned by things.

                @JPF said

                "Or perhaps the good Froclown was providing a much needed counterpoint to this "flaccid" discussion."

                The point is "Love" and it's representation on a mortal plane for many of us (I'm just saying most men are heterosexual), and how misogyny is supposed to represent some sort of counterpoint. Whether it be the actual case or not, that was the language of rejection and loss; someone who has suffered for the love of a women enough to forcibly objectify and categorise all women without thought. That's such an old Aeon concept, I think. It's so ardently angry, anti-Nuit, anti-Universe, I'm surprised that anyone could find it hard to see how anti-Self the attitude ultimately is.

                Forget Will, until you find out what that is, some point in the future ("shall be"), **Love **is the Law, right here, right now.

                "The Guesthouse
                This being human is a guesthouse
                Every morning a new arrival
                A joy, a depression, a meanness
                Some momentary awareness
                Comes as an unexpected visitor

                Welcome and entertain them all!
                Even if they're a crowd of sorrows
                Who violently sweep your house
                Empty of its furniture
                Still treat each guest honorably
                He may be cleaning you out
                For some new delight!

                The dark thought, the shame, the malice
                Meet them at the door laughing
                And invite them in
                Be grateful for whoever comes
                Because each has been sent
                As a guide from the beyond
                ~ Rumi (Translated by Coleman Barks)"

                Now tell me it's a good idea to hold on so tightly to hurt and anger!

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                  "The Guesthouse
                  This being human is a guesthouse
                  Every morning a new arrival
                  A joy, a depression, a meanness
                  Some momentary awareness
                  Comes as an unexpected visitor

                  Welcome and entertain them all!
                  Even if they're a crowd of sorrows
                  Who violently sweep your house
                  Empty of its furniture
                  Still treat each guest honorably
                  He may be cleaning you out
                  For some new delight!

                  The dark thought, the shame, the malice
                  Meet them at the door laughing
                  And invite them in
                  Be grateful for whoever comes
                  Because each has been sent
                  As a guide from the beyond
                  ~ Rumi (Translated by Coleman Barks)"

                  That is Beautiful, and true to the letter, Love under law, love under will

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                  • G gerry456

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                    Seraph
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                    @Solitarius said

                    "You've sold it to me.
                    Can you perhaps provide me with a short reading list? I'm not familiar with sufi philosophy and don't really know where to start."

                    Idries Shah wrote "The Sufis", though I'd start with the poetry of Rumi. You can Google lots of it, or Ebay & Amazon have loads of books by him if you prefer, and they're ALL good. There's one called "Love poems" or "Love Poetry", something like that (I don't have it on hand) and I think it's a nicely focused collection. The wonderful thing about the Sufis is that the soul of that Beauty (I'm inclined to substitute the word "Tipareth") is all you need to learn about them!

                    I think I have a PDF of Shah's book round here somewhere if you'd like.

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                      @Seraph said

                      ".... There's one called "Love poems" or "Love Poetry", something like that (I don't have it on hand) and I think it's a nicely focused collection. "

                      www.4shared.com/document/y84kcEZB/24981522-Rumi-The-Book-of-Love.htm

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                        @danica said

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                        @Seraph said
                        ".... There's one called "Love poems" or "Love Poetry", something like that (I don't have it on hand) and I think it's a nicely focused collection. "

                        www.4shared.com/document/y84kcEZB/24981522-Rumi-The-Book-of-Love.htm"

                        Exactly the one, thank you!

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                          Since I last saw this thread I have read quite a lot of Rumi, you really sold it to me, I have also introduced some of my friends and Brethren to his writings.
                          Life changing, my whole attitude towards love and pain is now a source of joy rather than suffering, or should I say, joyful suffering.
                          Thank you.

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                            The verse says:
                            "Ye shall gather goods and store of women and spices; ye shall wear rich jewels; ye shall exceed the nations of the earth in splendour & pride; but always in the love of me, and so shall ye come to my joy."

                            We are being given guidance to be fruitful in our lives and endeavors so that we may come to the joy of Nuit. So that we can reach our individual potentials. It is not simply mundane collection of humanly affairs plagued by the duality of gender and its attendant issues, these are instructions to bear and enjoy the fruit of our lives.

                            "If this be not aright; if ye confound the space-marks, saying: They are one; or saying, They are many; if the ritual be not ever unto me: then expect the direful judgments of Ra Hoor Khuit!"

                            If we lose sight of our potential then the ritual (life) is no longer always in the love of Her.

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                              The images cluster about to exalt you!

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                                This guy did:

                                news.aol.co.uk/uk-news/story/cult-leader-had-sex-with-girl/1572707

                                and now he's in the dock. Centre of Pestilence indeed!

                                👼

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                                  @Alrah said

                                  "Ye shall gather store of women.

                                  If you take the time to try and understand each woman you meet, to mirror their cognition, to reflect upon their nature, to try and see a small part of the Goddess in every woman, and to store each woman in your memory, then the full essence of the Goddess will emerge.

                                  If you only look at the image of woman that the media sells you then you'll never see her."

                                  I always see the goddess.

                                  There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.

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                                    Archaeus
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                                    what a load of twaddle.

                                    stop putting people on pedestals and get real.

                                    Women are just the same as men, just with different plumbing.

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                                      lol 😄

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                                        There are way too many posts to wade through to get up to speed on this thread, so fuck it. I'm just gonna jump in at the end as if I know everything that has already happened.

                                        the full quote:

                                        "But to love me is better than all things: if under the night-stars in the desert thou presently burnest mine incense before me, invoking me with a pure heart, and the Serpent flame therein, thou shalt come a little to lie in my bosom. For one kiss wilt thou then be willing to give all; but whoso gives one particle of dust shall lose all in that hour. Ye shall gather goods and store of women and spices; ye shall wear rich jewels; ye shall exceed the nations of the earth in splendour & pride; but always in the love of me, and so shall ye come to my joy. I charge you earnestly to come before me in a single robe, and covered with a rich headdress. I love you! I yearn to you! Pale or purple, veiled or voluptuous, I who am all pleasure and purple, and drunkenness of the innermost sense, desire you. Put on the wings, and arouse the coiled splendour within you: come unto me!"

                                        The list, "Ye shall gather goods and store of women and spices; ye shall wear rich jewels; ye shall exceed the nations of the earth in splendour & pride" is hypothetical, and could be anything—store of men, match box cars, mountain climbing achievements, anything.

                                        The important part for me is the injunction that no matter what you do, it must be a devotional act.

                                        It's really not all that different from the advice given by Krishna to Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita. Arjuna is about to start a war where brother will kill brother and the earth will be left burnt and broken. Arjuna has doubts—can this be the right thing to do? Krishna tells him he was born to be a warrior, that is his true will, so he should do it. The only thing he has to remember is not to lose himself in the act, but in all things, to love Krishna. This is one way of achieving non-attachment, working without lust of result, etc...

                                        The list will be different for every man and every woman.

                                        EDIT: the key for me is the phrase "with a pure heart." How is it possible to have this purity in this world?

                                        Love and Will

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                                          @RobertAllen said

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                                          the key for me is the phrase "with a pure heart." How is it possible to have this purity in this world? "

                                          Doesn't purity in this case mean 'singularity of intent'? Good thread.

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