Kundalini and Guru Gopi Krishna!
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@Anchorite said
"But 17 years meditating before his kundalini experience?
Here's to hoping the A.'. A.'. system is a lot faster than that!"It, of course, depends on the individual. There were some "averages" working in G.P.'s case.
IIRC he began meditating at age 17 and had his primary breakthrough (which nearly killed him!) at 34. Three things to note: (1) He started practicing at an age where the inner bodies are 5-10 years behind the physical body in maturity, though over the next 5 years or so the two tend to catch up. (2) Though the major enlightenment and awakening thresholds aren't limited to particular ages, the heaviest majority of successes across history have been during the 30s. (3) He didn't really have a teacher. (4) But he lived in a culture that supprted this sort of spiritual practice as commonplace.
Karma is a factor. Physical inheritance may be a factor, because some bodies seem to be develop phenomena faster than others. And, of course, the temperament, practices done, and all sorts of other things combined.
In terms of "how long it takes," which phenomenon are we measuring? Kundalini or, or example, K&C of the HGA? Here are some examples.
Crowley appears to have had spontaneous kundalini phenomena as a young man. If I'm reading a couple of obscure parts of his autobiography correctly, it's what set him on the path of genuine seeking. That would have been in the mid-1890s. He set out on a formal path, moved through the G.D. and on into yoga and other training, and attained the K&C of the HGA in 1907.
I was going to look up the unique case of Frank Bennet and found I don't have my file on him put away where it should be - and no time to look it up right now. From a footnote in Chapter 7 of my A.'.A.'. book I note that he became a Probationer sometime (just?) before WW I, was out of touch with his Superior for nearly a decade (during which he fulfilled many of the requirements of later grades) and finally passed officially to 1=10 in 1920. This was balanced by his getting very accelerated training while at the Abbey of Thelema in Cefalu, working directly under Crowley, and he moved from 2=9 to 5=6 very quickly, becoming 5=6 in late 1921. Overall, it took him roughly a decade.
Phyllis Seckler (Soror Meral) had her first (at least, first major) kundalini experience the morning of the full K&C of the HGA 12 years later after she was admitted a Probationer. For her, the two were simultaneous.
I had my significant kundalini breakthrough (and it was pretty fully opened from that point on) as a 1=10 about 3 years after being admitted a Probationer. The path from Probationer to Adeptus Minor (and the ful K&C) was 13 1/2 years.
I can't speak for people in general - but thought I'd give those particular records.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Karma is a factor. Physical inheritance may be a factor, because some bodies seem to be develop phenomena faster than others. And, of course, the temperament, practices done, and all sorts of other things combined.
l, it took him roughly a decade. "Jim in regards to this, do you mean that for some who move's along quicker..one of the reasons being is they had prior work in a past life?
I feel that is some what the case for me..something tells me I have had prior training of a sort in a few of my past lives.
Ranging from anicent Sumerian/Persion/Egyptian times[of course that with in its self is a matter of aeons] and all the way to one of my most recent ones being that I was a high ranking SS officer serveing under Himmler in WW2 and standing in a the Wewelsburg Castle with about 12 others around the The symbol of the Black Sun...that past life ended very badly with me takeing my own life,but there has been more postive past lives I mite add but some come to me intuitively and a little at a time.But back to my point is I feel for me personaly threw my past lives I have defently started some were else in my quest than being this life,when I first started out at the age of 16 I knew it was not a mear choice to do what im doing but a necessity and calling on the deepist level....like a light swtiched on in me.
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Jim,how old were you when you started as a probationer?
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@Vod-Vil said
"Jim,how old were you when you started as a probationer?"
I was 24 when I started as a Probationer, probably about 27 for the kundalini breakthrough, 39 for the full K&C.
"How old was Phyllis?"
35 when she got her results. (23 when she was admitted as a Probationer.)
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Thanks greatly for all the information Jim , Vod-Vil and dshoemaker.
Just a couple more points I'd like to clarify- My birthday card is Ten of Disks under Mercury (the only way is up) so I like information!The kundalini experience he spoke of , rather the three he had, were preliminaries to the consciousness expansion. Before the constant state he experienced he mentioned crisis' he went through. Is that because the brain needs time to balance itself out after the serpent is activated?
I remember R.A.W, Crowley and others talking about the world going more crazy or rather much more non local phenomena was occurring than usual after some breakthroughs, so are the effects perceived as upending both micro and macrocosm?Where would this consciousness he eventually achived relate on the Tree?
With regards to the K&C; will the Angel help regulate this energy? Are the two concepts and forces needed in tandem to advance?
My only experience of anything like physical bodily effects through meditating (not counting rigidity or perspiration - which I achieved last night for the first time) was becoming aware of the sacral chakra -aka the Dantien?
I was just lying there after a taijutsu session and all of a sudden my body totally faded from all awareness and there was this big blue pulsing chakra just sending energy out through the body. I opened my eyes and I could actually see it straight through a transparent body. This lasted until i eventually fell asleep - around 15 minutes. I didn't try to direct the energy since I had no idea what I was doing.
What was that all about? I'm still puzzled.93
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I was woundering that to with him if it hit him all at once...to me that would be scary to have a massive flooding of abiltys all at once.
Im sure ill find out in his book "Liveing with Kundalini"One of the books I bote actully is his life story on dealing with these energys.
Here is the book www.amazon.com/gp/product/0877739471
Here is a quick review on it.
"With so many 'spiritual teachers' today proclaiming their own greatness, this humble, matter-of-fact tale of an almost accidental spiritual odyssey is reassuring. Maybe all this stuff is true."— Shambhala Sun "At a time when the word 'Kundalini' is bandied about by too many self-appointed gurus and occult groups offering enlightenment in ten easy lessons, Gopi Krishna provides a salutary reminder of what a serious undertaking it is to attempt to raise this awesome power. He states that the Kundalini is the basis of all psychic manifestations in the individual, including mediumship and clairvoyance, a fact which renders this book of great importance to anyone working in a psychic capacity."— Light -
@Anchorite said
"The kundalini experience he spoke of , rather the three he had, were preliminaries to the consciousness expansion. Before the constant state he experienced he mentioned crisis' he went through. Is that because the brain needs time to balance itself out after the serpent is activated?"
Mostly no. You'll understand better after you read his autobiography.
Gopi Krishna did not have proper mentoring and didn't know what to do with the results he was getting etc. When it first awoke, only the Pingala channel woke - only the Fire or Sun current. He nearly died from that. He fell sick and had a fever that nearly killed him. The family was waiting for him to die. Near the end, he had enough insight to recognize what was happening and, by pure force of will, forced open his Ida channel - Water or Moon - and the balance saved and healed with him.
There are similar details with the later crises. He also (dsepite living in a culture informed on and supportive of such practices) didn't have anyone with whom to discuss this and really didn't know how to adjust to the new world.
Again, his autobiography speaks for itself. It's a must-read for anyone moving to or down this road.
"I remember R.A.W, Crowley and others talking about the world going more crazy or rather much more non local phenomena was occurring than usual after some breakthroughs, so are the effects perceived as upending both micro and macrocosm?"
This is pretty common with simple astral experimentation. The A.'.A.'. 1=10 usually ends up living in the Twilight Zone with poltergeist phenomena and all the "ooh, scary!" kinds of stories. It hadn't occurred to me to relate this to the kundalini phenomena per se (which happened about that time for me) - I just related it to the amount of classical magick and intense astral work I was doing. But, in theory, partial and uncontrolled kundalini breakthroughs could cause the same results just as awakening sexual energies cause them in pubertals.
"Where would this consciousness he eventually achived relate on the Tree?"
Which consciousness? There are many layers.
"With regards to the K&C; will the Angel help regulate this energy? Are the two concepts and forces needed in tandem to advance?"
Yes, the Angel would help regulate the enrgy. I don't know for sure that the two are needed in tandem. In the standard A.'.A.'. program, the kundalini would be awakened by specific practice before leaving 3=8 (but probably always, or nearly always, having emerged on its own at an earlier stage). In Phyllis' case we saw that, when the K&C occurred, the kundalini phenomena (not awakened previously) came with it.
Another thing to consider: Kundalini doesn't have to "erupt," doesn't have to berak through in major, eruptive, disruptive phenomena. The "cosmic orgasm" sort of experience is more common in rigid people that are highly controlled and resistent. It can also simply seep out so gradually and under control that one doesn't even necessarily notice, except that secondary phenomena are more commonplace. My initial experience was somewhere in between the two, but unmistakable.
The phenomena you report are quite good - you're definitely making progress! I hope you're working under competent monitoring. If not, be sure to read G.P. as soon as possible to have the best background you can understand from a book, and feel free to ask questions here as you want - but it's damnably hard to monitor this sort of thing (or understand exactly what's going on) without direct person-to-person contact.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Gopi Krishna did not have proper mentoring and didn't know what to do with the results he was getting etc."
So where does one get 'proper mentoring' in this day and age? I've asked in the general forum and I haven't received any insight into the matter (I was hoping you'd stop by).
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I think working with in the Temple of Thelema can be very helpfull and thare are other's who have really done some work that can help you I think.
If you are moveing to SD you are not far from LA..infact I used to drive to SD from LA 3 times a week when I used to work down there...you can get there in a hour and half no traffic.
I would seek Jim out if you can[Being that he lives in LA].
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Thank you so much for the comprehensive answers Jim.
I'm flying solo on asana and pranayama so I'll buy that book immediately.