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    Solve et Coagula
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    From Liber A vel Armorum, "Let the Philosophus take a rod of copper, of length eight inches and diameter half an inch.
    Let him fashion about the top a triple flame of gold."

    What exactly should I be fashioning to the top? Does anyone have a picture of the Baculum as described?

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      From Liber A vel Armorum, "Let the Philosophus take a rod of copper, of length eight inches and diameter half an inch.
      Let him fashion about the top a triple flame of gold."

      What exactly should I be fashioning to the top? Does anyone have a picture of the Baculum as described?

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      Frater SOL
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      He is referring to the letter Shin of the Hebrew alphabet...here is a link to a pic:

      www.juedisches-museum-berlin.de/site/img/sammlung-und-forschung/neuerwerbungen/yva/neuerwerb_yva_shin.jpg

      616

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      • S Solve et Coagula

        From Liber A vel Armorum, "Let the Philosophus take a rod of copper, of length eight inches and diameter half an inch.
        Let him fashion about the top a triple flame of gold."

        What exactly should I be fashioning to the top? Does anyone have a picture of the Baculum as described?

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        Jim Eshelman
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        Here's a picture of Crowley's wand:
        http://aumha.org/images/Wand.gif

        Here's a photograph of the triple-flame head of my wand:
        http://aumha.org/images/wand-jae.jpg

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        • S Solve et Coagula

          From Liber A vel Armorum, "Let the Philosophus take a rod of copper, of length eight inches and diameter half an inch.
          Let him fashion about the top a triple flame of gold."

          What exactly should I be fashioning to the top? Does anyone have a picture of the Baculum as described?

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          Solve et Coagula
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          Why is the wand illustrated in part II of Liber ABA shown to be almost 2' long when 8" is the length given for the Baculum?

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          • S Solve et Coagula

            From Liber A vel Armorum, "Let the Philosophus take a rod of copper, of length eight inches and diameter half an inch.
            Let him fashion about the top a triple flame of gold."

            What exactly should I be fashioning to the top? Does anyone have a picture of the Baculum as described?

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            Jim Eshelman
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            @Jackdaw said

            "Why is the wand illustrated in part II of Liber ABA shown to be almost 2' long when 8" is the length given for the Baculum?"

            Dunno. A quitrk of the particular drawing made when Book 4 was written?

            Mine is 8".

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            • S Solve et Coagula

              From Liber A vel Armorum, "Let the Philosophus take a rod of copper, of length eight inches and diameter half an inch.
              Let him fashion about the top a triple flame of gold."

              What exactly should I be fashioning to the top? Does anyone have a picture of the Baculum as described?

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              gmugmble
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              @Jim Eshelman said

              "Mine is 8"."

              Of course, it's not how big it is but whether you know how to use it. 👿

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              • S Solve et Coagula

                From Liber A vel Armorum, "Let the Philosophus take a rod of copper, of length eight inches and diameter half an inch.
                Let him fashion about the top a triple flame of gold."

                What exactly should I be fashioning to the top? Does anyone have a picture of the Baculum as described?

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                Jim Eshelman
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                👿 It was very hard to (oh, there I go again!) writing the earlier answer without innuendo when the subject was the head and length of my wand! 👿 👿

                I managed to keep myself under control, but suspected someone else would finish the job for me.

                Can I help it if I have the hardest and most beautiful 8" wand anyone has ever seen?
                😂

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                • S Solve et Coagula

                  From Liber A vel Armorum, "Let the Philosophus take a rod of copper, of length eight inches and diameter half an inch.
                  Let him fashion about the top a triple flame of gold."

                  What exactly should I be fashioning to the top? Does anyone have a picture of the Baculum as described?

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                  frateruranus
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                  Jim, another old thread here, but I was wondering how you created the head of your wand. I used gold wire myself but it isn't aesthetically pleasing. LOL. Is it cast in gold or is it a material like Sculpy painted gold?

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                  • S Solve et Coagula

                    From Liber A vel Armorum, "Let the Philosophus take a rod of copper, of length eight inches and diameter half an inch.
                    Let him fashion about the top a triple flame of gold."

                    What exactly should I be fashioning to the top? Does anyone have a picture of the Baculum as described?

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                    Jim Eshelman
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                    @frateruranus said

                    "Jim, another old thread here, but I was wondering how you created the head of your wand. I used gold wire myself but it isn't aesthetically pleasing. LOL. Is it cast in gold or is it a material like Sculpy painted gold?"

                    I paid a jeweler to custom craft it, and worked with him on the design. The usual jewelry design: A wax mold hand-carved, then a solid mold made from this. Gold is too soft for the whole thing (and has some temperature issues in welding to the solid copper rod), so the root head was cast in silver and finished, then a bonding layer of rhodium (a metal in the platinum family) was used to bond the gold sheathing to the silver.

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                    • S Solve et Coagula

                      From Liber A vel Armorum, "Let the Philosophus take a rod of copper, of length eight inches and diameter half an inch.
                      Let him fashion about the top a triple flame of gold."

                      What exactly should I be fashioning to the top? Does anyone have a picture of the Baculum as described?

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                      Shachdar
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                      Just for fun, speaking of wands, is it really necessary to go the 'Length?'

                      8 is good:-) Most beings would be satisfied with 5 or 6...

                      7*7 = 49... the heart of BABALONd.

                      93 93/93.'.

                      696

                      James

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                      • S Solve et Coagula

                        From Liber A vel Armorum, "Let the Philosophus take a rod of copper, of length eight inches and diameter half an inch.
                        Let him fashion about the top a triple flame of gold."

                        What exactly should I be fashioning to the top? Does anyone have a picture of the Baculum as described?

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                        Jim Eshelman
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                        The official A.'.A.'. elemental implements all have specifications that make them proportionate to each other (and to other 8" things in the design).

                        But from a pure (system-independent) magical perspective: Sure, shorter works.

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                        • S Solve et Coagula

                          From Liber A vel Armorum, "Let the Philosophus take a rod of copper, of length eight inches and diameter half an inch.
                          Let him fashion about the top a triple flame of gold."

                          What exactly should I be fashioning to the top? Does anyone have a picture of the Baculum as described?

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                          Frater SOL
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                          @Jim Eshelman said

                          "Sure, shorter works."

                          that's not what she said...

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                          • S Solve et Coagula

                            From Liber A vel Armorum, "Let the Philosophus take a rod of copper, of length eight inches and diameter half an inch.
                            Let him fashion about the top a triple flame of gold."

                            What exactly should I be fashioning to the top? Does anyone have a picture of the Baculum as described?

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                            frateruranus
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                            @Jim Eshelman said

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                            @frateruranus said
                            "Jim, another old thread here, but I was wondering how you created the head of your wand. I used gold wire myself but it isn't aesthetically pleasing. LOL. Is it cast in gold or is it a material like Sculpy painted gold?"

                            I paid a jeweler to custom craft it, and worked with him on the design. The usual jewelry design: A wax mold hand-carved, then a solid mold made from this. Gold is too soft for the whole thing (and has some temperature issues in welding to the solid copper rod), so the root head was cast in silver and finished, then a bonding layer of rhodium (a metal in the platinum family) was used to bond the gold sheathing to the silver."

                            Do you remember how much it cost? I am researching this stuff for future reference and all. 😜

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                              From Liber A vel Armorum, "Let the Philosophus take a rod of copper, of length eight inches and diameter half an inch.
                              Let him fashion about the top a triple flame of gold."

                              What exactly should I be fashioning to the top? Does anyone have a picture of the Baculum as described?

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                              Jim Eshelman
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                              @frateruranus said

                              "Do you remember how much it cost? I am researching this stuff for future reference and all. 😜"

                              Yes, I remember exactly.

                              The jeweler asked what I was willing to pay. I said that I was bound by a spiritual principle to not haggle over the price of this, and to simply pay him his asking price if I was at all capable. He set the price at $400. I asked if he'd mind if I increased it to $418.00, and he consented without haggling.

                              Years later, he later told me that the labor was far more than he'd estimated, and he should have charged me at least double that - but he stuck with his original deal. This was around 1987 or '88, so it wouldn't be unreasonable for someone to ask at least $1,000 today, I think.

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                                From Liber A vel Armorum, "Let the Philosophus take a rod of copper, of length eight inches and diameter half an inch.
                                Let him fashion about the top a triple flame of gold."

                                What exactly should I be fashioning to the top? Does anyone have a picture of the Baculum as described?

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                                gmugmble
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                                @Jim Eshelman said

                                "I asked if he'd mind if I increased it to $418.00"
                                Technically, I think that's still haggling on your part 😄

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