Vampirism & Thelema
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@FallenAngel said
"However, I suspect my Vampirism stems from my energy body functioning differently than most.... perhaps an irregularity in the way my Chakras process and store energy. I am not completely sure yet."
If it's a chakra malfunction, try LBRP, Middle Pillar, invoking the sun via the LRH or a particular element you want via the LBRP template.
Just curious, but what are your physical symptoms when you cannot have energy-exchanges with another person for a long time?
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I have severe heart problems when I do not exchange energy on a regular basis.
My other symptoms include...
Fainting, Sensitivity to temperature, Sensitivity to Light, Migraines, Weak Immune System, Fatigue, etc.I've been diagnosed with with a sever case of Tachycardia which only goes away when I exchange energy with someone.
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@FallenAngel said
"btw, why is Psychic Vampirism taught in the 8th degree of the O.T.O?"
Well, nobody can answer that authentically and in detail without discussing that degree. I only gave information that was a paraphrase from things Crowley wrote in public.
My opinion as to (part of) the "why" is that it is training for recognizing and controlling one class of energies that are not limited to the physical - for its own sake and as a preliminary training for what comes after.
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@FallenAngel said
"I have severe heart problems when I do not take."
What kind of severe heart problems (if you're willing to say)? Are you under any medical monitoring or treatment for these problems?
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I edited my above post and added the other symptoms.
I was on treatment... which only made me feel worse. The only thing that helps is the energy exchange.
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How often do you need to do this?
Have you experimented by working with someone who is a Reiki practitioner or otherwise competent to cause energy to move at will?
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@FallenAngel said
"I have severe heart problems when I do not exchange energy on a regular basis.
My other symptoms include...
Fainting, Sensitivity to temperature, Sensitivity to Light, Migraines, Weak Immune System, Fatigue, etc.I've been diagnosed with with a sever case of Tachycardia which only goes away when I exchange energy with someone."
Well, have you tried an interchange instead of just taking?
Tantric and Taoist are good for that.
Male-female interchange can help you stabilize since complements your energy and heals. The thing with vampirism is that is a never ending cylce of taking and wasting that energy. You need to heal, not make other people sick.
This male-female interchange may or may not refer necessarily to intercourse. -
I do it about every 1-2 weeks depending on need.
I have experimented with energy workers and a reiki practicioner.
I have also experimented to make sure I wasn't self delusioned into needing this. I stopped the exchanges for a few months and ended up being treated in the hospital. The pills they gave me did not help. I was on them for a year. I quit.
I have looked into alternatives. I have tried QiGong and tried to thrive off of elemental energies and the energies of the Universe. It didn't do much.
I have practiced the LBRP and the Middle Piller and the Circulation of the Body of Light. It helps a bit, but not completely.
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To Metzareph...
It usually is an interchange. I do not always usually just take and leave the other person vulnerable. My donor at the moment has an excess amount of energy that seems to somehow hinder him. We balance each other out. I'm the Yin, he's the Yang.
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@FallenAngel said
"I do it about every 1-2 weeks depending on need.
I have experimented with energy workers and a reiki practicioner."
What happened?
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@FallenAngel said
"To Metzareph...
It usually is an interchange. I do not always usually just take and leave the other person vulnerable. My donor at the moment has an excess amount of energy that seems to somehow hinder him. We balance each other out. I'm the Yin, he's the Yang."
Cool! does that help?
In any case, you seem to need more help than what it can be done over cyberspace. You should see a Taoist master or other qualified person.
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We discovered that I cannot do much with reiki for some reason. The energy worker(s) and I discovered that I do thrive off of human energy and that I am able to manipulate it enough to take it into myself and "digest" it.
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@Metzareph said
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@FallenAngel said
"To Metzareph...It usually is an interchange. I do not always usually just take and leave the other person vulnerable. My donor at the moment has an excess amount of energy that seems to somehow hinder him. We balance each other out. I'm the Yin, he's the Yang."
Cool! does that help?
In any case, you seem to need more help than what it can be done over cyberspace. You should see a Taoist master or other qualified person."
Yes it does help. It fixes the problem for awhile.
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BTW, here is one test for filtering whether there is an ego-attachment to this going on.
Are you as willing to call yourself a leech as a vampire?
There's really no dictionary definition of "vampire" that matches your expressed self-definition. (There is, of course, a colloquial use.) OTOH there is a perfectly ordinary use of "leech" which fits.
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Leech fits my description. I even joke around with that term with my donor.
I am not happy being this way. I don't want it. I would change in a heartbeat. -
I find it hillarious that self proclaimed "magicians" who seek to change reality to conform to their Will or desire by using concentration and symbol systems find no room in their cosmology for the idea that the myths of the vampire might point towards an actual spiritual path or individuals, for better or worse...
i'd like to point out that the Tibetans have been using forms of psychic vampirism for thousands of years to heal other individuals.
They call the practice "tong-len"
www.answers.com/topic/tong-lenin the tradition I was first initiated into that dealt with using the vampiric archetype for initiates that found themselves drawn to such things it was one of the first practices given.
guess those tibetans are lhp predators who are interfering with everyone's Will. who would have thought?
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@Jonathan said
"i'd like to point out that the Tibetans have been using forms of psychic vampirism for thousands of years to heal other individuals.
They call the practice "tong-len"
www.answers.com/topic/tong-len
"Jonathan, the definition in the link you gave is: "A practice in Tibetan Buddhism of meditatively ‘sending’ one's good fortune and happiness out to others and ‘receiving’ any misfortune and negativity others may be experiencing."
That doesn't match any standard use of the term "vampire," actual or colloquial. I can't think of any reason one would apply that term to what is above described unless the term "vampire" was important to someone for its own sake.
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@FallenAngel said
"I'd like to make it clear that when I talk about Psychic Vampirism I do not use the term because I identify with the archetype of the Vampire. I am not talking about being an ego driven poser either.
However, I suspect my Vampirism stems from my energy body functioning differently than most.... perhaps an irregularity in the way my Chakras process and store energy. I am not completely sure yet.
When I take the energy from someone I do it with their full consent and knowledge. I am not a predator. Psychic Vampirism doesn't have to be harmful. It can help both the Vampire and the donor. During an energy exchange energy may be cycled and manipulated between the two partners until it is at a higher vibration. The energy can then be used to benefit both people in various ways if needed. However, usually the donor has an excess amount of energy. Therefore no harm is being done and their will isn't being violated as they have agreed to the act.
So... can this thread please get past the idea of Immortal Bloodsucking Vampires and ideas of LHP Predatory Spirituality?"
I have been taught that the depletion of prana stems from the high vibration of the vampire soul (different than a human soul) incarnated into a physical body. Kabbalah speaks of an entirely different vampire, one that is Qliphothic in nature. Ford speaks about using vampiric ritual and elements from a non-vampire standpoint, but doesn't mention prana depletion (would this be more along the Crowley concept?)
I would also like to add that indeed a deep feed from an evolved vampire can clear energy blockages and maintain a clean Shen system. Evolved vampires can also energy heal in ways that Reiki practioners cannot. -
@Jim Eshelman said
"That doesn't match any standard use of the term "vampire," actual or colloquial. I can't think of any reason one would apply that term to what is above described unless the term "vampire" was important to someone for its own sake."
Tong-len might be considered a form of vampirism because it involves non-consensual (even if good-intentioned) energy exchanges with another person, much in the same way the 8th creates non-consensual astral links with one's target.
Btw, read between the lines of AC’s following account:
My precise motive in going to Paris eludes me. I seem to have acted upon general principles. My visit proved eventful. Firstly, I met a man named Sullivan, "a fellow almost damned with a fair wife" named Sylvia. They had been married some time and she had developed a pain in the old place. A friend of hers asked my advice. I gave it, not suspecting the object of her solicitude. The situation suddenly developed by Sylvia and myself starting trouble.
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exactly my point, in certain Thelemic circles Tong-len would be extremely frowned upon b/c it is non-consensual. Also let me point out that they do this first with friends, then with strangers, and finally with enemies. It is Vampyric in nature b/c you are astrally drawing someones negative energies (and sometimes karma's) into your own subtle body and then sending out positive and healing energy. Remember the Vampire does not only take life, it has the power to grant immortality (in the myths). So once again you see the myth playing out in the reality of someone who is highly skilled at the movement of energies from one subtle body to another.. and transforming negative energies into pure life force.
I often wish my first teacher never used the word "vampire" when teaching such things... as I have found that it only points towards something, that is often helpful for young students archetypes.. at a certain point one realizes that the metaphore is just that, a metaphor.
I have found Michelle Belenger's work and her group House Kepharu to be very informative about it.
There are many different theories about why/who/what the whole psychic vampire is... some I find ridiculous or perhaps just not my own experience, some that seems to be exactly what I have found in my own experience.
Another example of vampiric practices is Taoist sexual practices. If thats not vampiric I don't know what is.
Another thing I noticed in my own experience is that as the "vampiric initiate" evolves on his path he/she finds less and less a need to actually draw the life force from other humans directly, which makes me wonder if that initial "hunger" to "feed" upon energies is just pointing towards that individuals Will, which would have something to do with becoming Adept at moving energies and using such abilites for healing and other effects. I don't know, just my own thoughts.
I would also like to mention that people tend to exchange energies unconsciously all the time.. the vampiric initiate is becoming conscious of it, and is using it for a purpose.
or maybe I and other people I have met that feel similiarly are all just crazy
