Probationary work clarifications
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater PramuditaThe highest ranking of them also openly practiced extremes of sadism - sufficient for this to have become inherent in the meaning of the word. And "extremes of sadism" is a big part of what I meant.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater Pramudita@Jim Eshelman said
"The highest ranking of them also openly practiced extremes of sadism - sufficient for this to have become inherent in the meaning of the word. And "extremes of sadism" is a big part of what I meant."
Does "of them" refer to Motta or Nazis? And how is this 'inherent in the meaning of the word" if Marquis de Sade was in the early 19th century and the term 'sadism' was used well before the Nazi party or Motta ever existed?
IAO131
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater Pramudita@Aum418 said
"Does "of them" refer to Motta or Nazis?"
Nazis.
"And how is this 'inherent in the meaning of the word" if Marquis de Sade was in the early 19th century and the term 'sadism' was used well before the Nazi party or Motta ever existed?"
Inherent by usage and history. In other words, it was a primary characteristic of the Nazi regime as embodied by its inner core.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater PramuditaI knew what Jim meant but I didn't take offense to it. I respect and admire what Jim has to say and do even if I feel in this case he is being a little over reactive on the topic.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater Pramudita@Jim Eshelman said
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@Aum418 said
"Does "of them" refer to Motta or Nazis?"Nazis.
"And how is this 'inherent in the meaning of the word" if Marquis de Sade was in the early 19th century and the term 'sadism' was used well before the Nazi party or Motta ever existed?"
Inherent by usage and history. In other words, it was a primary characteristic of the Nazi regime as embodied by its inner core."
The Nazis may have been cruel, but I'm a bit of a Sadist myself.
IAO131
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater Pramudita -
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater PramuditaJim, you stated in reference to the Motta lineage:
"The highest ranking of them also openly practiced extremes of sadism - sufficient for this to have become inherent in the meaning of the word. And "extremes of sadism" is a big part of what I meant."
The reason I am revisting this thread, I would like to know, either here, or in an inbox email, if you are referring to David Berrson, aka Frater Sphinx aka Frater Phoenix whom Motta made the head of his lineage and O.T.O. upon his death.
I am asking because this person is the person that admitted me into the A A and is my Neophyte, but for reasons I wouldn't discuss in the open, I have reasons to seriously question my choice. I would appreciate any feedback
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater Pramudita@Frater Pramudita said
"The reason I am revisting this thread, I would like to know, either here, or in an inbox email, if you are referring to David Berrson, aka Frater Sphinx aka Frater Phoenix whom Motta made the head of his lineage and O.T.O. upon his death."
I have no information on behavior of David Berrson in this regard.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater PramuditaWell you said the highest ranking. David Bersson is the highest ranking of the Motta lineage. Sorry for the confusion, but may I have a private conversation with you seeking genuine advice?
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater Pramudita@Frater Pramudita said
"Well you said the highest ranking. David Bersson is the highest ranking of the Motta lineage. Sorry for the confusion, but may I have a private conversation with you seeking genuine advice?"
All of my comments were concerning events during Motta's life.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater PramuditaDo as thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
Greetings.
I am currently preparing for the probationary period and putting together a personal regiment. In doing so I know it is necessary to memorize a chapter of Liber LXV. Is there any suggestions as to this process? Any particular chapter more advisable than any other?
Now, I must admit. I have read this over and over and read the commentary and I still do not fully get it. I get so much out of many of Crowley's other works which are deep, yet understandable and not totally cryptic. Why was this the piece chosen for this? I mean much of Crowley's works are so much more poetical and even beautiful...but this Liber really does not resonate with me like some others. Even the commentary supposedly expounding on it does not reveal much. It almost appears to be grasping at straws at times. Anyone else feel this way when they started?
Love is the law, love under will
-Xkip93
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Care
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater Pramuditanevermind
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater PramuditaOk, after having read all of the posts on this thread I realize I will probably not get any feedback from my previous question.
But I am not in the Probation phase.
I am just studying A:.A:. material and looking at how I will apply it to my life at present. I understand much of the material and see the benefit behind its theory. I know my question seems a bit juvenile, but I have thought this, concerning Liber LXV for quite some time.I know that even Liber AL changes voices and is hard to understand at times, but it is a cohesive work IMO and I would count it very beneficial to memorize a chapter if not the entire work. But LXV just seems like a hodge-podge. It seemingly begins with rhyme and reason and then just falls all over the place. Maybe that is the reason for having to memorize such an article, because it is difficult to memorize something of its nature, I don't know?
For instance, the verse that reads, "Oh honey boy..." The commentary states that this is a reference to the bezoar stone? Come on, the verse does not even resemble the previous topic of such. My first impression was homo-erotic poetic verse...anyone else?
I would like to know how some of you have benefited from this Liber.
PS: One thing I find interesting on this forum:
If Motta's group under Bersson is so great, why are so many people from his group asking questions HERE? Is the great sphinx not available?
Here we have Jim constantly helping out here with true concern and care for aspirants. Do we eat at the Steak House and then go to Burger King to pay the bill?93 93/93
-Xkip
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Care
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater Pramudita@xkip93 said
"Ok, after having read all of the posts on this thread I realize I will probably not get any feedback from my previous question.
But I am not in the Probation phase.
I am just studying A:.A:. material and looking at how I will apply it to my life at present. I understand much of the material and see the benefit behind its theory. I know my question seems a bit juvenile, but I have thought this, concerning Liber LXV for quite some time.I would like to know how some of you have benefited from this Liber.
PS: One thing I find interesting on this forum:
If Motta's group under Bersson is so great, why are so many people from his group asking questions HERE? Is the great sphinx not available?
Here we have Jim constantly helping out here with true concern and care for aspirants. Do we eat at the Steak House and then go to Burger King to pay the bill?93 93/93
-Xkip"
93, Hi Xkip, Thanks, I needed that laugh. I guess many here are starving for information and help. 93 93/93 Persephone
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater Pramudita@xkip93 said
"I am currently preparing for the probationary period and putting together a personal regiment. In doing so I know it is necessary to memorize a chapter of Liber LXV. Is there any suggestions as to this process? Any particular chapter more advisable than any other?"
You should pick your own chapter. People do this for different reasons. It seems wrong to me to suggest a basis for you to decide this, because it's a highly personal decision. Usually, in hindsight, the chapter a person selects says a great deal about what they need in their Way.
As for "suggestions as to the process," what exactly do you mean? How to memorize? Different techniques. Soror Meral memorized every chapter of Libri 65, 7, and 220 over a few years by taking the chapter she was working on and reading it every night just before sleep. She then would keep this fresh, after she had all 15 chapters memorized, by reciting one every morning. - I made use of this as a general background, but have a mind that "builds from scratch," so I'd always lock down one verse, then build the second on it recite both, then add the third etc. over some period of weeks.
One of my favorite tricks - I used it myself, and have recommended it to others for whom it has succeeded - is based on the nearly universal observation that one often can't get out of one's head a song heard on the radio. So I taped my chapter on a cassette tape and played it over and over in my car while driving. This accelerated the memorization.
"Now, I must admit. I have read this over and over and read the commentary and I still do not fully get it. I get so much out of many of Crowley's other works which are deep, yet understandable and not totally cryptic."
It takes many years, and doesn't get entirely clear until some significant initiation steps have been taken. Also, this book really isn't created to be understood rationally (although it's quite capable of being understood rationally). It's meant to overwhelm your soul. From the act of memorization, and of constant repetition of any chapter from this book, you are changed.
"Why was this the piece chosen for this? I mean much of Crowley's works are so much more poetical and even beautiful...but this Liber really does not resonate with me like some others. "
Personal tastes vary. Personally, I don't think there's a single thing that emerged from Crowley's pen more beautiful than Liber 65. (I just said so in my talk here in NYC Saturday
) It is assigned to the Probationer because the first Great Task is to attain to the K&C of the HGA; and then Liber VII to the 1=10 because the next Great Task is crossing the abyss; and then Liber CCXX to the 2=9 because it leads to the highest attainments.Additionally, Liber LXV expresses itself through the Elements, which are the basis of the first stage of training, so it prepares one for the First Order initiation at 1=10; and Liber VII through the Planets, which are the next order of training, and thus helps prepare for the Second Order initiation at 2=9.
The real intention, I think, is to saturate the soul with the beauty and sublimity of this tale of the adept's relationship to the HGA as expressed from the p.o.v. of the respective Elements.
"Even the commentary supposedly expounding on it does not reveal much. It almost appears to be grasping at straws at times. Anyone else feel this way when they started?"
No, I never did. I (figuratively) sat patiently and attentively at the feet of the commentary to grasp whatever fragment of light I could, given my dark ignorance.
The commentary (which BTW is not part of anything assigned - it was written decades later - but it can be an enormous help) is written from a very high state. Written by a Magus, it speaks of the reality of the Adept and, in places, of the Magister. It will serve study and restudy for decades.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater Pramudita93 Jim,
This is exactly why I made the previous comments about you genuinely helping others. Your answer was exactly what I was looking for as you have shed LVX on LXV.
You have shown that you deem this a sacred book with great depth, and coming from you this motivates me to study it, memorize it, and glean from it what truth I can. (Lest I lean to my own limited understanding and think that Crowley has played a joke on all of us).
Along with some tips on memorization and clarifying that it is truly up to the individual to pick which verse to memorize I think you have placed me on the right track. I appreciate your help.
-Xkip
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater Pramudita@xkip93 said
"For instance, the verse that reads, "Oh honey boy..." The commentary states that this is a reference to the bezoar stone? Come on, the verse does not even resemble the previous topic of such. My first impression was homo-erotic poetic verse...anyone else?
I would like to know how some of you have benefited from this Liber.
"I too *had * been trying to memorize a verse. I was trying last year, and then basically had it down -in segments with a little bit of prodding- then promptly forgot it.
The great benefit though is now when I read the chapter I picked, it's like an old friend of sorts. Strange because it's familiar, yet not fully remembered. I will, one day, try to memorize it fully.It has a much different feel than Liber AL but I like it. It is more "random" if you will. Apparently (?) a lot of Greek literature references... has a strange classical feel to me, imagery-wise. Yes the "honey boy" is homoerotic, as far as I can tell. The angel is here male, and the speaker is male, so....
Presumably that type of eros is how Crowley interpreted the interaction with the HGA? -
Care
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater Pramudita@xkip93 said
"PS: One thing I find interesting on this forum:
If Motta's group under Bersson is so great, why are so many people from his group asking questions HERE? Is the great sphinx not available?
Here we have Jim constantly helping out here with true concern and care for aspirants. Do we eat at the Steak House and then go to Burger King to pay the bill?93 93/93
-Xkip"
I'd say this statement is definitely uncalled for and unnecessary. Bersson doesn't use a public forum (I am not a student of Bersson's by the way) to communicate with the "at large" community like Jim does and to judge him based on THAT criteria is an unfair judgement. I think it is unbecoming to disparage someone like this on a public forum behind a screen name & especially when that person isn't a contributor to this forum.
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater Pramudita@frateruranus said
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@xkip93 said
"PS: One thing I find interesting on this forum:
If Motta's group under Bersson is so great, why are so many people from his group asking questions HERE? Is the great sphinx not available?
Here we have Jim constantly helping out here with true concern and care for aspirants. Do we eat at the Steak House and then go to Burger King to pay the bill?93 93/93
-Xkip"
I'd say this statement is definitely uncalled for and unnecessary. Bersson doesn't use a public forum (I am not a student of Bersson's by the way) to communicate with the "at large" community like Jim does and to judge him based on THAT criteria is an unfair judgement. I think it is unbecoming to disparage someone like this on a public forum behind a screen name & especially when that person isn't a contributor to this forum."
93, Frateruranus,
Normally I would agree with you. To insult a private person by name online is never correct. But Mr. Bersson has set himself up as either a Magus or an Ipsissmus and on his website he is denigrating other magicians publicly in his unique, vicious way. I wasn't sure that he still had a site so I checked. Currently on it he has a whole tirade against Daniel Gunther, for example. I think it is called You Are Not Forgiven.
There is another section in which he threatens all A.'.A.'. lineages that he considers false, in the most vile and graphic way.
I was a student of his for several years so I can tell you that this is what he is like. In my humble opinion, that lineage reminds me of a dysfunctional family where each has a role to play in perpetuating the problems. And believe me, I am being kind. At first you think that it is some kind of test and the real person will emerge. But then you see that this is the real person. And what I am telling you here is a fraction of what is happening on other levels, like an iceberg. I borrowed that analogy from Dion Fortune by the way. I reccommend her small book called Esoteric Orders and their Work.
Throughout my association with Bersson I was never sent one student even though I had reached a level where I might expect one. As far as he was concerned I was doing what I was supposed to do so this seemed odd.
So, it seems that the Internet is doing us a service-- you can see clearly what people are offering before you make a decision, where in the past we could not. Believe me, I don't enjoy writing this on a publc forum. But I think this raises alot of important issues that can't be brushed under the rug. Again, as in a dysfunctional family. 93 93/93 Persephone -
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Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the LawI have begun my study of the Class B documents, and I have also started practicing the LBRP. I want to memorize it first before moving on to other rituals. As far as Liber E goes, I have practiced yoga for the 10 years that I had previously mentioned to you, including asana and pranayama, so this fortunately is giving me a jump start on my probationer work. What is really helping me is all the work I have done to perfect my Dharana. This helps me tremendously with my visualizations. I was fortunate in that they teacher of a Buddhist group that I was part of for quite some time took me under his wing and worked with me outside of the timeframe of our group meetings, teaching me about Mahayana Buddhism, and also about Taoism, and I advanced under him quite far. I must admit that I have never before used the vibration of names technique. I am having some success with it, as far as the Vibration being a powerful tool to assist me with the clearing of my mind, but I am not feeling the complete physical exhaustion that I was expecting from performing the technique correctly. I will continue to work on this.
I have also had considerable experiencing with Astral Travel, which I consider myself very adept at. However, I struggle with the generating of my Body of Light, or as I used to call it, out of body experiences. I have read and re-read Liber O, and am practicing the method put forth in it, but I seem to be still struggling. Would you be able to direct me to other methods or perhaps offer some insight into a technique you may know of?
I have in the past read “John St. John” and am using this as my guide in the keeping of my magickal record, and of course, the guidelines in Liber E itself.
I have had no experience with Gematria, or Geomancy, or anything of the sort, but I look forward to delving into them. I have much experience with the Tarot, and after receiving your email, have purchased a Thoth Deck, and “The Book of Thoth,” as I was using a different deck up until now.
I look to you as my kalyana mitta, of which I only have one other in my life. I actually asked him to try to join the AA with me, but it seems his path lies elsewhere.
I’ll end with saying just that saying that I used to be an intellectual. I valued knowledge and reasoning too much. I read many books on many subjects, but now I read very little and share what I have learnt, but not preaching. I don’t live a formula, I look deeply into my heart. Should and should not are not important to me any longer. I trust my heart instead. I am not perfect and I am fully aware of this, in fact perhaps I am becoming even more imperfect, as I come to be more at one with the Tao. I’ve done a lot of unwholesome things in my life, but I don’t blame myself or anyone else, these things and all others are what brought me to where I am now. I am practicing Scientific Illuminism in the AA, and also dhamma, and I’m happy about that.
Love is the law, love under will
Fraternally,
Frater PramuditaOne more quick question concerning Liber LXV:
In Chapter 1, where it reads, "V.V.V.V.V" what are we to say?
(ducking for the blatantly obvious answer to be screamed at me)
I know what it stands for but just wondering what exactly to quote.
PS. Believe me, I find great beauty in this Liber although I have gotten a little frustrated with it... by the time I get through IV, I am almost tapped out it seems. Kind of like when I reach the 14th aethyr...
JUST KIDDING.
93 93/93
Xkip