8 circuits & Qabalah
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I have been thinking about this one a bit lately.
It occurred to me after reading about the Veil of Paroketh and the Veil of the Abyss, and some of the experiences connected to passing through those veils to higher levels of conscious.So instead of a sephira-based correspondence, why not one of the 4 worlds? Much like passing through the Grades opens the initiate up to higher states of consciousness by steps, with not every grade necessarily leading to the next circuit up.
Though, trying to see the 2 systems like this, I'd be tempted to have Kether as the 8th circuit on its own with Binah and Chokmah together as the 7th "Meta-Programming" circuit, that way it can include the path of Mercury- the Master of the Elements.It also occurred today to me that instead of seeing the 4 "higher" circuits as evolved-circuits waiting in potentia, it might be possible to see them as the 4 "lower" circuits in reverse, the difference being how they are experienced, as the victim/creation of them in the lower and as the controller/master of the same circuits in the higher.
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@Sphynx said
"5th circuit: Tiphereth-Geburah-Chesed "
If this is the case, then is the state of consciousness that is obtained from marijuana the same or similar to K&CHGA since marijuana is the drug associated with the 5th Circuit by RAW and Leary?
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@horustheantichris said
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@Sphynx said
"5th circuit: Tiphereth-Geburah-Chesed "If this is the case, then is the state of consciousness that is obtained from marijuana the same or similar to K&CHGA since marijuana is the drug associated with the 5th Circuit by RAW and Leary?"
No, it isn't the same.
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Thank you Jim
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Is there any drug that triggers this experience?
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@horustheantichris said
"Is there any drug that triggers this experience?"
There are drugs that can give a taste of some part of it (for a person rightly prepared and rightly oriented - set & setting rules, in other words), but not likely one that brings the actual experience unless the person is already essentially there.
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@Sphynx said
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7th circuit: Chokmah
"Some humans receive an "imprint" of the spiritual consciousness upon activating a proper trigger, which may include many years of advanced Raja Yoga, the use of sacred power plants, and/or the practice of Magick. The Spiritual, or Atmic, plane is called by metaphysicians and parapsychologists the "Metaprogramming Circuit" or "Magical Consciousness." Specifically, the spiritual imprint confers the ability to "construct a new reality tunnel." Accessing this level of consciousness is the only means to reprogram the imprints of the personality, which otherwise will remain unchanged throughout a lifetime (and perhaps beyond!). The atmic imprint is something we have in common with about three percent of humanity.
For the person who succeeds in gaining access to this level, and is able to operate (even a little) herein, there lies the danger of degeneration into megalomania. The metaprogramming circuit is too real, and too powerful a concept, to project it directly outward to normal humanity without wrapping it extensively in a genuine sense of humor."8th circuit: Kether
"Some humans receive an "imprint" of the monadic consciousness upon activating a proper trigger, which may include clinical death (dying on an operating table and then being revived) or 100% out of the body projections (see Astral Projection). The Monadic plane is called by metaphysicians and parapsychologists the "Quantum Circuit." Specifically, the monadic imprint confers the ability to "access all the information of the Universe." Accessing this level of consciousness often results in reports of extra-terrestrial contact, communication with a "galactic overmind," or conversations with angels. Monadic consciousness exists without a biological container. The monadic imprint is something we have in common with only one to two percent of humanity.
On the Tree of Life, the Monadic plane is the uppermost sphere (number One). It has little to do with the events taking place in the three-dimensional world, and is said to cause an obliteration of the perception of time and space. You may have heard mystics, or marbleheads, discoursing on being "beyond time and/or space;" this is the realm to which they referred.""
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
Sincerely these two are, IMO, completely out of order, at last practically speaking. It seems to me, in fact, that certain individuals nowadays value what they call "Astral Projection" as to become always the end of and everything. The see it completely out of proportion. Instead of a mean they look at it as an end, and this is completely false.
It happened in the recent past also with Mead (and anyway all the Theosophists), for example, where he said, in the specific, that the actual "last" step of the rising of Kundalini was Astral Projection, a thing obviously Avalon - as the most evident example it comes to my mind - was not very happy to hear, and on the contrary bashed this point of view utterly. It would be like saying, in fact, that the end of having the K&C of the HGA is being able to enter an altered state of consciousness. It is quickly becoming the predominant attitude nowadays in a certain field and with certain groups of people (that usually care only for a part of the whole).
I understand the "some" written there, but still, having the capability of doing an Astral Projection has almost nothing to do with the 8th (much differently, for example, on the 7th and Raja Yoga - that should be, along Magick, Mysticism in general, etc. the last). In my experience 99% of people that can have an AP usually just ends up in Assiah based worlds, or, at very best, Yetzirathic ones. I never heard almost nobody ever entering a Briatic world if they weren't doing something specific outside AP alone (and even then, relying on the word of the user, that says little in the end). Naturally this doesn't meant that it's impossible (on the contrary, probably it's a powerful mean, used correctly), only that it's not automatic as many people seem to think, and, on the contrary, it is usually more (maybe much more) difficult to do so because people (for the power of the experience) lose themselves on things that have absolutely no meaning whatsoever apart the "wow" factor.
For example: they get all astonished and whatnot for the "beauty" of the scenario they see, but the 99% of the people able to do AP I've talked with, don't mind at all what the scenario is, nor how did they got there, nor how to reproduce the same, nor if they did "enter" in it at will or if they can control the experience. It is just that this typical mean has this little trap of being so alluring as to make people think they are doing the most greatest things while in reality they are doing almost nothing of concrete in the majority of cases.
I have a little of experience both in Raja Yoga/Magick and APs and I will never say a thing as the one said above (and in fact it usually comes from people using drugs, because they think "leaving the body" the end of all, maybe coming from shamanism a little fraintended). While Raja Yoga/Magick are still mental disciplines (at their core) both the background (meaning that the "setting" in there usually has a large focus on controlling the experience in any case) and the structure of the practices (meaning in this case that they are usually always meant for a concrete goal in mind, instead of being left to the case) make them much more effective (also if BoL work is still a part of Magick, but there it is used a little differently and it is much more controlled) to reach higher planes, usually.
Love is the law, love under will.
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Thank you.
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@Gawain said
"Is anyone here very familiar with the Leary-Wilson 8-circuit theory? In studying Qabalah, I'm trying to fit my previous knowledge to the Tree, but the circuits don't seem to correspond directly with the Sephiroth. Has anyone worked out a way of doing this? Thank you..."
Sorry I am coming into this a little late. What a great question - actually it was Leary's and RAW that got me into Crowley and Magick, oddly enough. Many moons ago, I did a lot of work with the 8 circuit model, and actually it helped me navigate many a journey. At one point I was even involved with creating a multi media presentation of the model, so I spent about 6 months in a very creative, even maniacal state working with this system - it was quite a ride.
However, I agree with many here, it's probably not going to fit neat into QBLH proper - nor should it. Leary's model is based on a very specific interpretation and has a very 'sci fi' component to it that provides an interpretation of all esoteric systems and matching them with technological and scientific progress and put into a more 'materialistic' framework. 'Higher Intelligence' is found 'coiled' internally in our bodies, brains, and nervous systems and any esoteric system is a 'intelligence test' for any adept to unlock it and communicate with higher intelligence in a way that pushes evolution forward along the eight circuits, which not only relate to modes of 'intelligence' (not the same necessarily as a state of consciousness) that are accessed in individuals which recapitulate throughout society.
The system utterly rips apart any magickal or traditional aspects or interpretations of the tree of life. For example, Leary adds TWO tarot cards which he says 'must' be missing to make the 'table' complete, i.e. 'two' more paths on the tree - not likely that's going to be fitting in anywhere.
Like Jim said, it's it's own stand alone system - and it's probably not useful for ceremonial magicians - although Antero Ali might disagree with that.
But I love it, and as a stand alone system, it's very elegant, holistic, and simple to understand and play with.