The Necronomicon
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i aint about to claim to be any kind of expert here,but,i'ld like to share a little tale with you folks and see what you think.
many years ago,during what i like to call "my wasted hardcore punk years",i picked up a copy of the necronomicon for a dollar at some quite lame new age wannabe shop,mainly to mock it,as then i had no belief whatsoever in magick as anything other than some peoples way of bettering themselves through ritual-esque self discipline,and that th possibility of there being "spirits" was just insane.i took it home and forgot about it for at least a week,untill one very drunken night my good friend found it and brought it out.
the first thing we noticed was "the mad arab",which sent us into laughing fits,as my friend was turkish,we immediately dubbed him "the mad turk...kareem shakeyerbooty".many more drinks and joints were enjoyed,and late into the night,we were all palefaced with bacchian joy.
my turkish friend,in this hammered state,picked up the necronomicon,and began reciting from it,dancing very drunk around our coffee table,the rest of us joining in behind him,as he lead the way,enjoying his role as "the mad turk".he must have read at least half the damned book before our stamina gave way to the alcohol,and everyone crashed in my living room untill 7 am the next day,when somehow we all managed to get up in time for work/responsibilities.
i personally had one of the worst days of my life.at every turn things just went WRONG.first,my electric broke down in the apartment,and i couldnt get the landlord to even LOOK at my fuse box which was locked.my then girlfriend called me to tell me she'ld cheated on me with (in my opinion) a far less handsome man than i,and in my typical male-ness i punched the wall and seperated my thumb from my hand about 2 inches backward,which put me out of work for three weeks,as i earned my living as a bass player at the time.
"the mad turk",who worked on a road crew,fell off the back of a truck doing 60 mph,taking most of the skin off his back and buttocks,and on route to hospital,fell over and sprained his shoulder.
another friend who had been with us crashed his car (anyone remember the dodge k-car?...yep..that long ago) into the steel railing on the trans-canada highway...and i quote him.."it was like something just grabbed the f-ing wheel outta my hands dude...i couldnt even see for a moment then bang"
yet another friend who was there started to change personality,becomming an absolute facist dictator to everyone,being violent to his girlfriend,and eventually becomming so horrible to everyone we had no choice but to turn our backs on him after years of friendship.
the bd luck continued for some weeks after,with "the mad turk" getting the worst end of things each time.a short list includes cutting the tip of his finger off at work,having someone sideswipe his brand new half ton and destroy it,burning his goatee half off when a lighter suddenly flared up,and then getting arrested for drunken conduct while being completely sober.
i took that book and tossed it into the atlantic ocean just off the angus l macdonald bridge in halifax,filled with spite and fear.
now,it could be that we just all had bad luck.i'm willing to accept that.but i cant help feeling we made something or someone very very annoyed.
let me know what you folks think,because i could very well indeed just have gotten the shivvers from having a bad week (or six) -
Wow I'm amazed at the negative experiences people had.
Back when I was younger and still hopelessly clueless, me and a friend decided to stage an experiment with the Necronomicon. I had read the entire thing, and did some thinking on it, read the guide to using it practically and set off. We bought the incense, candles, set up the room. About 15 seconds into reading the text my head started ringing , and my mind became quite strange and I was able to visualize very clearly during this time. At the end of the ritual/experiment my entire body was ringing and I felt a beam of light shining out of my head. All in all it was a very positive experience, since it showed that sitting down at a table and reading a couple of paragraphs can really mess with your head (in a good way). Nothing I asked for actually happened, nothing negative in any way happened to me or my friend, but in the end it was a great experience.
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@izzy_suicide said
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i took that book and tossed it into the atlantic ocean just off the angus l macdonald bridge in halifax,filled with spite and fear.
now,it could be that we just all had bad luck.i'm willing to accept that.but i cant help feeling we made something or someone very very annoyed.
let me know what you folks think,because i could very well indeed just have gotten the shivvers from having a bad week (or six)"Nope, I had an incredible string of bad luck after attempting to sing some of the chants in the book while playing guitar one morning. I remember feeling shivers and hearing a creak in the attic when I was doing it, but it was a Saturday morning and, though I was filled with a creepy feeling I didn't expect, it was rather easy to "get over it" since the day was just dawning. I remember I stopped and put the book away, though. After that, though, a lot of nasty things happened starting right away. The next week I remember having a lot of problems, but not sure what order everything came in. I remember it seemed like my life just fell apart. Everyone around me changed, girlfriend broke up with me... sheez, you know what? It seems like that was the first incident I can remember prior to YEARS of misfortune. I wonder how long it takes to shake off whatever you "get" from playing with that book. I remember for a good 7 years or so after this, feeling a sense of foreboding or dread about bad luck... the steering wheel thing you mention struck a chord with me because I recall coming back from college break to visit my best childhood friend (now a schizophrenic) and he was driving us on this backroad. it was a dirt road elevated a good 30 feet or so with no guardrails and I was just noticing what a freaky road it was that I could see the tops of very tall trees peeking over the street level. If we dropped, it would mean death-- and then, suddenly, the car just did a 360 degree turn and stalled pointing the same direction we were travelling. It seemed to happen very slowly and I know we were travelling very slowly. Black Sabbath was playing on the tape deck and we just sat there in silence for a second, got out and instinctively lit cigarettes and leaned against the hood. "What happened?" I asked, stunned. "I have no idea!" he replied in shock himself. We both felt like something just took the car and spun it. It felt like the same sense of dread and foreboding I remembered before I left that town.
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I joined this forum to write my personal testimony. I deal at experimental stage with the Necronomicon Spellbook of Simon. I have chosen to evocate a spirit that does not bring harm even though the spell reversed with the Law of Threefold Return.
Specifically, During the last year, I've called six times the 32th spirit AGILMA, which brings Rain and Storms. I must notice that, during my summonings, I have never seen the presence or heard the consciousness of spirit Agilma. I just sent my thoughts about what I wanted to happen, I visualized the sound and the image of the Rain.
The interesting thing is that the Spell always Worked! Everytime! After 4-7 hours I always noticed the Rain cometh, no matter what the weather was outside. It's strange. I have record these experiments in my Book of Shadows (I am a Wiccan). If someone else has called AGILMA, I would like to hear his/her experiences.
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@Elorath said
"I joined this forum to write my personal testimony. I deal at experimental stage with the Necronomicon Spellbook of Simon. I have chosen to evocate a spirit that does not bring harm even though the spell reversed with the Law of Threefold Return.
Specifically, During the last year, I've called six times the 32th spirit AGILMA, which brings Rain and Storms. I must notice that, during my summonings, I have never seen the presence or heard the consciousness of spirit Agilma. I just sent my thoughts about what I wanted to happen, I visualized the sound and the image of the Rain.
The interesting thing is that the Spell always Worked! Everytime! After 4-7 hours I always noticed the Rain cometh, no matter what the weather was outside. It's strange. I have record these experiments in my Book of Shadows (I am a Wiccan). If someone else has called AGILMA, I would like to hear his/her experiences."
I believe the FBI would be interested in talking with you about what you did to Indiana
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From what I have heard and been told and seen:
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@Elorath said
"The interesting thing is that the Spell always Worked! Everytime!"
Oh, please. Move to a region that gets on average one or two rainfalls per year and then do this spell fifty times a year. Let's see what happens then.
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The law of diminishing returns could work out very badly when evoking a spirit with 30 teeth. Sorry couldn't resist.
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@Los said
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@Elorath said
"The interesting thing is that the Spell always Worked! Everytime!"Oh, please. Move to a region that gets on average one or two rainfalls per year and then do this spell fifty times a year. Let's see what happens then."
My thought exactly.
But do it, in a place like that, during times when it's meteorologically feasible for rain. I could do rain spells every morning at dawn in Puerto Rico and succeed at least 300 times every year. I could do it every morning in Los Angeles and, no matter how great the magick, decisively fail at least 300 times every year. One would pick a December or March day when rain wasn't forecast (but conditions exist for it to happen), and give It 24 hours. (It takes at least that long for meteorological conditions to rearrange to reroute precipitation to the region.)
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"That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die"
I was first introduced to the Necronomicon watching Evil Dead movie !
Then did some magick using Simon's one as a beginner, some years ago... with great results. At first i thought "beginner's luck"... Then reading various testimonies i tended to believe there are some "genuine" forces really working there. Now i think it's a mix of both and that a third element plays even more: sincerity, like was pointed out earlier.
The thing is i'm a big fan of such atmospheres, of horror in general, and the weirder the better. So it just had to work.
Anyway i find it interesting working with fictions and/or mixing fiction with "real" stuff. I'm sure there's a lot to discover and that making work together kabalah/alchemy logic with art/litterature will unveil great other mysteries and powers...
I'm sure i'll appreciate that a lot more when more advanced into the path. Be careful newbies, weird stuff tend to work to a surprising extent.
Maybe the "surprising" effect of weirdness can in itself accomplish a significant part of the work... Or at least opens doors."and the sigil of Xastur was growing bigger and bigger..." Abdul Al Hazred, Kitab Al Azif
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@Jim Eshelman said
" I could do rain spells every morning at dawn in Puerto Rico and succeed at least 300 times every year."
Well, no, you wouldn't "succeed" at all, because -- as you're implying -- we know that it rains that often down there to begin with, and weather patterns aren't affected by "magic spells."
"One would pick a December or March day when rain wasn't forecast (but conditions exist for it to happen), and give It 24 hours. (It takes at least that long for meteorological conditions to rearrange to reroute precipitation to the region.)"
Well, what you would do is locate days on which it's feasible for rain to occur but rain isn't forecast. Then you figure out, statistically, how often that forecast is wrong on average. Then you perform a rain spell on each one of those days for a long period of time and see if your supposed "success" rate rises above chance to any statistically significant degree.
I predict that any results will be well within the normal pattern of weather and of forecast mistakes. Because you can't affect the weather by doing a rain dance.
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You and I are on substantially the same track (I just didn't lay out all of the project parameters).
Except you'd be entering into it having already determined that it won't work, while I (having never done rain magick) would enter it not having a clue whether the particular dance was going to work.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"You and I are on substantially the same track (I just didn't lay out all of the project parameters)."
And you would also agree that until someone has performed (and repeated) this experiment and gathered sufficient evidence, a person would not be justified in accepting the claim, "Magic spells can affect the weather"?
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@Los said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"You and I are on substantially the same track (I just didn't lay out all of the project parameters)."And you would also agree that until someone has performed (and repeated) this experiment and gathered sufficient evidence, a person would not be justified in accepting the claim, "Magic spells can affect the weather"?"
No, you know I don't agree with that. (You're egging me on. I'll indulge you.)
The universe is too grand. There's too much in it that's amazing and awesome and outside the ability to "figure out" or trace. There's no reason to exclude that. Instead, walk into a situation embracing your ignorance of it. \
I'd approach this wondering, "Gosh, can this spell affect the weather?" Then, depending on my level of curiosity, I'd either go find out or drop the matter. But I'm certainly not going to dispute someone telling me they've done it. I'll either graciously accept their word, or ask them to show me how, or not be interested enough and change the subject. (Or whatever. It's life. Go for it.)
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@kasper81 said
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hey you must admit when JWParsons did , "the Barrtzabel working" on LR Hubbard that was pretty unusual ie the storm at sea forcing the yacht back to shore?Then again ........................I don't have the meteorological stats for those days/weeks maybe the sea was stormy that entire month"
If you cannot predict Los's reaction/response, you aren't trying very hard to understand his point of view.
There is no "must" required. It could have been a wholly fabricated tale or a grand delusion.
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Los said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"You and I are on substantially the same track (I just didn't lay out all of the project parameters)."And you would also agree that until someone has performed (and repeated) this experiment and gathered sufficient evidence, a person would not be justified in accepting the claim, "Magic spells can affect the weather"?"
No, you know I don't agree with that."
I didn't know you don't agree with that. I'm trying to get my head around your position because it's unclear.
Accepting a claim is binary: either a person either accepts a claim or doesn't (currently). If someone isn't sure about whether a claim is true, then they are still in the I-don't-accept-this-claim-(at-least-not-yet) camp.
Take, for example, the claim "The Loch Ness Monster exists." There are only two possible positions: a person accepts that claim as true or does not accept that claim as true. I contend that the only valid reason for accepting that claim -- or any claim -- is to be convinced of it by evidence. Until such a time as one is convinced, one does not accept it (which, to be clear, isn't the same as accepting that the Loch Ness monster doesn't exist...not accepting the claim simply means the person in question isn't convinced yet).
So on the question of the claim "Magic spells can affect the weather," you can only take one of two positions: you accept that claim as true or you don't (currently) accept it as true.
Now, you've freely admitted that you haven't done an experiment that would furnish someone with sufficient evidence, and I think I'm on fairly safe ground in saying you likely don't know of a rigorous stastical anlaysis of this claim.
So you freely admit, then, that there's insufficient evidence for the claim. Hence, you can't have valid grounds for accepting that that claim is true. If you do accept it as true, then you're accepting it for bad reasons.
So I think, by the definitions I lay out above, you would fall into the I-don't-accept-it-(at-least-not yet) camp. Again, that's not the same thing as holding that it's impossible to use magic to affect the weather...just that you don't (yet) have sufficient evidence for accepting this claim. Indeed, you can say that you think the "universe is grand, and hey, it may be possible" but still not (currently, with the evidence you have now) accept this claim as true.
That's why I was asking you to clarify your position.
If, however, you're saying that you accept this claim without sufficient evidence, that strikes me as a dumb position.
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"So on the question of the claim "Magic spells can affect the weather," you can only take one of two positions: you accept that claim as true or you don't (currently) accept it as true."
This reasoning is your continual mistake. Life isn't black or white, or yes or no, there is room for "I don't know", and a gray area. For example with your example of the Lock Ness Monster; one may simply not be convinced either way, they may BELIEVE it is possible; yet, perhaps simply think it's just unlikely. They may feel they could be mistaken, or realize they simply do not have all the answers to know beyond all doubt as well, which is Jim's point, for another example. Even the most hard nosed skeptic admits we do not know everything, and it is possible. You even admit that psychic ability is "possible" yet you reserve judgement on it, until you receive the proof you require. So, I do not agree at all with your points here.
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@Jason R said
" Life isn't black or white, or yes or no, there is room for "I don't know", and a gray area."
Of course. But when we're talking about accepting a claim, one either does or does not. Someone who isn't sure or doesn't know is in the I-dont-accept-it-(at-least-not-yet) camp.
It's sort of like being a Yankees fan. If you're not sure that you like the Yankees, you are outside of the group labeled "Yankee fans."
Not accepting a claim simply means that -- right now, at this moment, with the evidence you have -- you don't accept it as true. It's not a statement of absolute certainty that the claim is false...it's just a statement that right now there's insufficient evidence to convince you.
"You even admit that psychic ability is "possible" yet you reserve judgement on it, until you receive the proof you require."
Correct. I'm in the I-dont-accept-it-(at-least-not-yet) camp. Based on the weight of evidence, I predict that I probably will remain in that camp, but I'm willing to be convinced.
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"you can't affect the weather by doing a rain dance."
You make frequent positive statements of belief like this. Then you conflate that position with one of agnostic neutrality.
In short, you are making a logical leap between "don't accept" and "reject". It's a little trick you use so that you can turn absence of evidence into evidence of absence.
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"Of course. But when we're talking about accepting a claim, one either does or does not. Someone who isn't sure or doesn't know is in the I-dont-accept-it-(at-least-not-yet) camp.
It's sort of like being a Yankees fan. If you're not sure that you like the Yankees, you are outside of the group labeled "Yankee fans."
Not accepting a claim simply means that -- right now, at this moment, with the evidence you have -- you don't accept it as true. It's not a statement of absolute certainty that the claim is false...it's just a statement that right now there's insufficient evidence to convince you."
I think this idea is more of your opinion than reality. Just because someone is unsure, doesn't automatically put them in the "I don't accept it as true" team.
Someone may be indifferent, or simply unable to understand the situation to make a judgement, which in reality we all are in when it comes to ultimate truth about the world. For example, someone may say a machine will revolutionize the computer industry. I am not good at computers, so without any type of real expertise I may reserve any type of judgement. This doesn't mean I feel it isn't true, I may look at the guy, and take into account what I know about him, and how the machine seems to suggest it just may be what he claims, yet I am not sure.
If I'm a Yankees fan, I still may know they suck, or some bit of information that makes me doubt they may win. There so many variables we take into account, and so many ways to view and consider something. I think your over simplifying things a bit. It's simply unrealistic to view everything this way.