Daath
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@Jim Eshelman said
"And the earth is flat, you know, and if you sail far enough you will fall off the end.
(Just teasing.)"Is this meant for me? I'm not sure I understand why my post prompted you to see me as a member of the Flat Earth Society.
@Frater LR said
"gah gah... goo goo..."
I don't know what to say to this. I really don't see my position as being childish; in fact, I have over 100 pages of material that helps prove my approach (along with pages and pages of endnotes and a Bibliography).
At any rate, I can take a hint.
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No, man. Pretty sure I'm the flatlander.
Unless otherwise noted, responses are usually to the immediately preceding post.
gah gah... goo goo... was me
Consciousness of individuality doesn't end when a person crooses the abyss. I wasn't expressing my thoughts very well or consistently. Trying to think of how to express myself better or redo the hypothesis...
Perhaps the "illusion" of individuality being shattered would be a better way of expressing it.
Thinking...
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@Ankhenaton said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"And the earth is flat, you know, and if you sail far enough you will fall off the end.
(Just teasing.)"Is this meant for me?"
No.
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Ok; sorry guys. I misunderstood your posts completely.
No harm, no foul.
I'd like to make my thesis available for a few people here, to look over and give me some constructive criticism. It will be during the springtime (maybe even summer). That is, if it is alright with you . . .
May you all receive the Peace you deserve,
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Neshamah
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93,
I would add, just for arguments sake, that I did not call Da'ath a Sehirah to itsel, but a part of Binah(Understandin). This is how I understand it anyhow. Of course, evry Sephirah is of the Sephiroth above it. Thanks for the links, Jim.
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To reiterate what I have said elsewhere, Daath is an old name (pre-Zohar) for the supernal triad. It was used as shorthand for Kether, Chokmah and Binah. Before the phrase "Tree of Life" was used, the flow from the en soph (again shorthand, for ain, ain soph, ain soph aur) was likened to a river, splitting after emerging as a mountain stream and filling chokmah and binah before both overflowed, tumbling down the abyss. This abyss is not empty, it has these twin forces flowing. I think this is what Grant experienced as the twin pillars of Daath.
I believe it was the Lurianic Cabalists who, discovering unexplained references to Daath in documents that were already 400 years+ old at the time, thought it referred to a hidden 11th sphere. -
@sethur said
"...the flow from the en soph ... was likened to a river, splitting after emerging as a mountain stream and filling chokmah and binah before both overflowed, tumbling down the abyss. This abyss is not empty..."
In support of the notion that the Abyss is not empty, the word has it's origins in the Greek word abyssos, meaning "bottomless". The root of the word is byssos, meaning "the bottom of the sea". The word *abyssal *has been used since 1691 CE to refer to the zone of ocean water below 300 fathoms or 1800 feet.
Whenever I think of the Abyss, I think of a bottomless depth of water.
Dan
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Sophia (remember, wisdom, aka Chokmah) was associated by some early Christians as the Holy Spirit, and if you go back to Genesis 1:2, the Holy Spirit was hovering over the watery deep.
In the Sophia myths, her yearning (to understand and unite with the unknowable primal father, or to create, or to have gnosis of the universe) leads to her falling into the abyss, and simultaneously giving rise to the physical matter of the universe and imbuing it with a divine spark. Sophia herself is often seen by Gnostics as being the most anthropomorphic of the Aeons (Gods).
Interestingly, there is a distinction made in both Genesis, and the Gnostic myths, between the void/abyss/watery deep, and the surface. Sophia hovers and plays along the surface. Several people in the thread have mentioned the concept of "reflection", and the surface of still water is the original mirror. She pursues the reflected illusion, and disturbs the surface with her hovering/swimming, at once shattering illusion and passing through the other side into the abyss (Alice in Wonderland anyone?). In the abyss (as pointed out, meaning bottomless, or no-ground, or nothing solid, physical), which is a sort of chaotic pre-matter from which she gives birth to the physical world.
Also, some traditions associate Sophia with the archetypal mother, which seems a bit more Binah/Babalon to most of us, naturally. I wonder at the idea of Babalon being the womb/gate of life hints at an association with the surface of the abyss.
In other older gnostic traditions she is associated with Astraea, the star maiden, a female Prometheus-like character. Interesting that the Star is the tarot key associated with the path from Chokmah through the abyss....
Sorry, kind of went off-tangent a bit... but was just trying to add more fodder to the discussion.