Malkuth
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Want to see a great representation of Malkuth in Briah? Read the Cry of the 20th Aethyr in The Vision & the Voice."
This was interesting. It seems to give Malkuth in Briah a Jovian feel, am I right? Why this is I can't imagine (and I'm sure the answer would be paragraphs long!
)I find the best definition of Malkuth across all four Worlds for me is almost synonymous with Héh - the Daughter or 'Princess' in the IHVH formula, who is both Earth and the 'Throne of Spirit'.
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@AvshalomBinyamin said
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Let me try an example, and if Jim or someone with similar expertise can correct me if I goof up:I have a flash of inspiration about inventing and building a new musical instrument. I then come up with some plans for how to make it a physical reality. I then gather the tools and materials, and build the instrument according to plans.
The act of inspiration was Briatic. The abstract thinking about making plans was Yetziratic. Physically building the instrument was Assiah. (This, by the way, is the same pattern as in the old testament, when it says that God creates, makes, and forms something, in that order...)
And yet, from the very beginning, this instrument, from inspiration, to physical manifestation, was always about a 'real world' instrument. So all 3 steps were mostly 'in Malkuth', so to speak.
Same Briah, Yetzirah, and Assiah. But the 3 steps were mostly 'in Hod'.
Of course, there is overlap, and no project or activity is entirely in one sphere.
Corrections?"
I'd agree, and add that there's an Atziluthic level preceding those of the impulse to "make music"
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@PatchworkSerpen said
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Want to see a great representation of Malkuth in Briah? Read the Cry of the 20th Aethyr in The Vision & the Voice."This was interesting. It seems to give Malkuth in Briah a Jovian feel, am I right? Why this is I can't imagine (and I'm sure the answer would be paragraphs long!
) "Actually, the answer to that part is fairly short. You very insightfully detected the "Jovian feel." The main cause for that, in this case, is that, at the time Crowley started that particular astral skrying (November 30, 1909, 9:15 am, Bou-Saada, Algeria), Jupiter was exactly on the Zenith. It colored the whole vision (as these things usually do).
But, additionally, some like to say that there is a relationship between Atu X and Sephirah 10, and a general sense that the manifest world is a place of bounty.
But what a vision of Malkuth in Briah this is! In contrast to Malkuth in Assiah (the sensory, physical world of most people's day-to-day experience) or Malkuth in Yetzirah (a psychological representation of the field of the Four
Elements, such as we saw in the Vision of the 30th Aethyr), Malkuth in Briah discloses the Kingdom, the fully manifest world, as a pattern of interlocking, inter-relating wheels. We are given a glimpse of the reality behind the life and events in world as we know it.I just think it's pretty cool
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@AvshalomBinyamin said
"It's a thing that many of us get confused about, and it can be hard to separate the two concepts. I've confused them a lot.
A lot of introductory qabbalah articles (incorrectly) describe Malkuth using Assiah's definition, and this adds to the confusion. A good exercise is to take a complex, creative activity, and break down the portions into their categories in the worlds and the sephiroth.
Let me try an example, and if Jim or someone with similar expertise can correct me if I goof up:
I have a flash of inspiration about inventing and building a new musical instrument. I then come up with some plans for how to make it a physical reality. I then gather the tools and materials, and build the instrument according to plans.
The act of inspiration was Briatic. The abstract thinking about making plans was Yetziratic. Physically building the instrument was Assiah. (This, by the way, is the same pattern as in the old testament, when it says that God creates, makes, and forms something, in that order...)
And yet, from the very beginning, this instrument, from inspiration, to physical manifestation, was always about a 'real world' instrument. So all 3 steps were mostly 'in Malkuth', so to speak.
And a second example:
I have a flash of inspiration about creating a classification method and system for musical instruments. I then come up with all the details about the classification method, and how it will work. I obtain a file cabinet and fill out cards with all the classification details.Same Briah, Yetzirah, and Assiah. But the 3 steps were mostly 'in Hod'.
Of course, there is overlap, and no project or activity is entirely in one sphere.
Corrections?"
thanks av, your examples demonstrate the concepts more clearly than in previous replies, however it is different than my preconceptions
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@Jim Eshelman said
"But what a vision of Malkuth in Briah this is! In contrast to Malkuth in Assiah (the sensory, physical world of most people's day-to-day experience) or Malkuth in Yetzirah (a psychological representation of the field of the Four
Elements, such as we saw in the Vision of the 30th Aethyr), Malkuth in Briah discloses the Kingdom, the fully manifest world, as a pattern of interlocking, inter-relating wheels. We are given a glimpse of the reality behind the life and events in world as we know it.I just think it's pretty cool
"On a sort of related note, what do you make of the depiction of the Four Worlds like this?
http://www.cliverichardweeks.com/esoteric/articles/jacobs_ladder.jpg
[source: www.cliverichardweeks.com/esoteric/articles/jacobs_ladder.jpg]I believe some people call it "Jacob's Ladder". I think its an interesting representation of the differences between the Sephiroth operating across the Four Worlds, and their (possible, supposed) interaction.
Could the parallels drawn between Sephiroth in one World with those in another explain the differences in Malkuth's behaviour across the Worlds? (ie. how it might partake of one planet more than another, etc) -
I've never found the slightest use for that particular form.
There's a similar one, though, that I do find useful - which links the Kether of each world to the Malkuth of the one beyond it. One moves from Kether in Assiah to Malkuth in Yetzirah, for example.
In all cases, it's just modelling, and modelling is valuable according to its actual usability. The one solid underlying principle is that the entire Tree of Life exists concurrently in all Four Worlds. How one structures the data arising from that one principle, how one uses it, etc., is another matter.
I'm not pleased with the arrangement you showed because it infers relationships that I don't think exist, and I usually see people trying to leverage those IMHO fictional relationships - for example, equating the Tiphereth (rather than Kether) of one world with the Malkuth of the one beyond it. I could make an argument for shoving it one direction or the other - shove the Malkuth of the higher down to Yesod of the lower, or up to Kether of the lower - but not this particular one.
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That's exactly the one I was thinking of (the one you mentioned) and the one I meant to post. I just couldn't for the life of me remember where I saw it, so (rather lazily) I posted something in the same vein.
I like that particular one (in which Malkuth in Atziluth is Kether in Briah, Malkuth in Briah is Kether in Yetzirah, etc) because it also reflects the idea that Kether itself can be considered the 'Malkuth' of the Three Negative Veils.
Would you consider this configuration useful in understanding the 'formation' of the Sephiroth via the path of the Flaming Sword? Is it better to imagine that the Sephiroth AND the Worlds were formed successively, or the Sephiroth successively but the Worlds concurrently?
[please feel free to post a link to a correct representation if you find one]
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@PatchworkSerpen said
"That's exactly the one I was thinking of (the one you mentioned), and the one I meant to post. I just couldn't for the life of me remember where I saw it, so (rather lazily) I posted something in the same vein.
I like that particular one (in which Malkuth in Atziluth is Kether in Briah, Malkuth in Briah is Kether in Yetzirah, etc) because it also reflects the idea that Kether itself can be considered the 'Malkuth' of the Three Negative Veils."
Most people, despite familiarity with The Vision & the Voice, don't know that this model is the key to unlocking what's happening in V&V step-by-step. (I published a serialized study of that from 1997-2001 in Black Pearl.)
"Would you consider this configuration useful in understanding the 'formation' of the Sephiroth via the path of the Flaming Sword?"
No. By definition (at least, traditionally through the transmitted mystery schools), the lightning flash is the instantaneous manifestation of all 10 Sephiroth in Atziluth. One of the most important things about the Lightning Flash diagram is that it is portraying the Atziluthic expression of the Tree.
"Is it better to imagine that the Sephiroth AND the Worlds were formed successively, or the Sephiroth successively but the Worlds concurrently?"
That's a trick question because "successively" requires time, and time doesn't exist above Yetzirah (and is much more elastic in Yetzirah than in Assiah, where it's actually more elastic than is usually thought).
As for useful, I think that depends on the story being told. For example, "worlds formed successively" makes sense if we're telling a story from the perspective of our own incarnation. It may, though, not reflect the natural world quite so clearly, especially for the time-related reasons mentioned above. - If i had to choose, you actually left out the most interesting one to me, which is that the sephiroth form instantaneously (as they do in Atziluth and, technically, in Briah since there is no time-separation), and then the Worlds for successively.
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Jim, in the past you've generously posted your articles in lieu of entire issues of ITC and BP; would you please post your serialized study of the V&V from 1997-2001 in Black Pearl? That is a wonderful document with many many interesting mysteries - but it's sure not easy to understand! Such is life. But if you've already done some great work on forging a key...
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@Tinman said
"Jim, in the past you've generously posted your articles in lieu of entire issues of ITC and BP; would you please post your serialized study of the V&V from 1997-2001 in Black Pearl? That is a wonderful document with many many interesting mysteries - but it's sure not easy to understand! Such is life. But if you've already done some great work on forging a key..."
I've said for a while that, though we didn't have a schedule for getting the work done, we eventually would make Black Pearl available for download just like ITC. I can now leak, buried here in this thread, that... we are only a few weeks from that time.
As for the V&V work... gosh, I'm in a "leaky," teasy mood today... I think I'll just say that I'll have a way bigger announcement to make in the near future. The BP serialization should best be considered the initial, preliminary study on the topic...
PS - Thanks for the kind words.
PPS - We should let this float back to the original topic of the thread and, if necessary, start a new thread to pick this up elsewhere.
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@_aLL_seEIng_eYe_ said
"Yet the comparison runs deeper still, geometrically both Earth and Malkuth take the form of a sphere."
Malkuth does not take the form of a sphere, it is drawn as a circle, but that's just a drawing. The use of the word "sphere" is probably because some peoplecannot resist thye similarity between sphere and sephira, although the latter probable means "chapter" (of a book, not an Order).
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@sethur said
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@_aLL_seEIng_eYe_ said
"Yet the comparison runs deeper still, geometrically both Earth and Malkuth take the form of a sphere."Malkuth does not take the form of a sphere, it is drawn as a circle, but that's just a drawing. The use of the word "sphere" is probably because some peoplecannot resist thye similarity between sphere and sephira, although the latter probable means "chapter" (of a book, not an Order)."
Or it's the use of "sphere" as ikn "sphere of influence," or, more generally, "an area of power, control, or influence; domain."
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@sethur said
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@_aLL_seEIng_eYe_ said
"Yet the comparison runs deeper still, geometrically both Earth and Malkuth take the form of a sphere."Malkuth does not take the form of a sphere, it is drawn as a circle, but that's just a drawing. The use of the word "sphere" is probably because some peoplecannot resist thye similarity between sphere and sephira, although the latter probable means "chapter" (of a book, not an Order)."
Or it's the use of "sphere" as ikn "sphere of influence," or, more generally, "an area of power, control, or influence; domain.""
So does this imply Malkuth is a "Force" of somekind to have "an area of power, control, or influence; domain"
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@_aLL_seEIng_eYe_ said
"So does this imply Malkuth is a "Force" of somekind to have "an area of power, control, or influence; domain""
No. Not force. Context. (Note the word "area.") Think context.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Most people, despite familiarity with The Vision & the Voice, don't know that this model is the key to unlocking what's happening in V&V step-by-step. (I published a serialized study of that from 1997-2001 in Black Pearl.)"
Thanks for the hint. Definitely encourages me to have a go myself!
By the way, any idea where the model I first posted comes from? I've been searching for a depiction of the Malkuth=Kether one, but all I've been finding are numerous examples of the Malkuth=Tiphereth Tree. What gives?
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@PatchworkSerpen said
"By the way, any idea where the model I first posted comes from? I've been searching for a depiction of the Malkuth=Kether one, but all I've been finding are numerous examples of the Malkuth=Tiphereth Tree. What gives?
"I think the one you published is Lurianic. For the one you're seeking, I guess nobody has digitized the fold-out from Mathers' Kabbalah Unveiled. (I still prefer to look for these things in physical books, rather than online.)
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@Jim Eshelman said
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I've said for a while that, though we didn't have a schedule for getting the work done, we eventually would make Black Pearl available for download just like ITC. I can now leak, buried here in this thread, that... we are only a few weeks from that time."That's seriously some awesome news...glad to hear.
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I think this looks like malkuth to kether.www.zeropoint.ca/kabb-4trees2.jpg
theres the link, I dont know how to paste pics on here yet
