"A Thelemic Utopia"
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"yes there is allot of rhetoric about the A.'.A.'. and it's timelessness and it being non-physical chiefs etc.
Those metaphysical things simply do not exist.
"I will simply point you to the mirror, to this debate, to the Sun currently being in the constellation Gemini, as well as to your own reference to the "Kali" yuga.
"However, the establishment of Thelema and the guidance of others who have developed these faculties, should help to produce true kings as well as a social body willing to accept their rule."
Personally, I really liked how you rounded that off.
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A Meditation for Gemini:
Being your slave, what should I do but tend
Upon the hours and times of your desire?
I have no precious time at all to spend,
Nor services to do, till you require.
Nor dare I chide the world-without-end hour
Whilst I, my sovereign, watch the clock for you,
Nor think the bitterness of absence sour
When you have bid your servant once adieu;
Nor dare I question with my jealous thought
Where you may be, or your affairs suppose,
But, like a sad slave, stay and think of nought
Save, where you are how happy you make those.
So true a fool is love that in your will,
Though you do any thing, he thinks no ill.- William Shakespeare
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Here is an Idea as a way to start.
Acquire an apt complex or hotel, apts. are better.
Now, rent out these apt. to thelemites, Say O.T.O members.
Use the rent money to pay off the mortgage, then use the profits to feed back into the system.
Use them to fund a temple and masses.
Once that is taken care of, help members to get started with personal businesses
or business that makes money for the whole.
For example help fund home offices, maybe set up a lawn care company or home cleaning company
Run the business on Thelemic principles and use the profits of the business to aid the members.
Use the profits as interest free loan or grants for education, to pay the health bills of the elderly and sick,
to buy art supplies for the artists, etc.Providing each individual with what he or she needs to contribute to the whole community according to his or her Will. Thus the initial investment in the property will pay for itself with a snow ball effect of interest. (The original investments can be collected from members or by loans from outside investors who can be paid back at an interest rate).
Perhaps this camp might expand and buy more land build more houses, etc. Also it would be one local body, you could have several of these connected. The accumulative wealth, generated from several such cells could put the OTO on par with large corporation, giving a degree of political influence. It does not seem infeasible that such a net work expanded to global size, over time might become the economic match of the Roman Catholicism.
If you doubt this is possible, might I direct you to the history of a little general store called Wal-mart.
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Who decides the business? who controls the money? Who decides who get what room with what view? How will a King tell another King home to run his/her kingdom, and decide the resources or products they can contribute/produce?
Just because someone claims to be a thelemite and has gone through the degrees of say the OTO does not make them a thelemite. I have seen very unthelemic socialization within Thelemic lodges especially when one thinks they know what is best for another or a group.
I don't believe any social paradigm can accommodate Thelema, as it is a philosophic path of the individual. "Every emancipator enslaves." Just because I may be well suited to eat dirt does not mean that my brothers or sisters ought to. A Thelemic Utopia is the same as a Fascist Utopia, a Capitalist Utopia, a Democratic Utopia etc etc etc... No model can encapsulate the masses and the individual, one most be sacrificed for the other.
I can guarantee that no two Kings will have the same conclusion on what is right or even Thelemic for that matter.
Personally, I think that people are wasting to much energy on a relatively pointless topic. I hope that as much energy and thought goes into magical practice...
"As brothers fight ye!"
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@Froclown said
"Here is an Idea as a way to start.
Acquire an apt complex or hotel, apts. are better.
Now, rent out these apt. to thelemites, Say O.T.O members.
Use the rent money to pay off the mortgage, then use the profits to feed back into the system.
Use them to fund a temple and masses.
Once that is taken care of, help members to get started with personal businesses
or business that makes money for the whole.
For example help fund home offices, maybe set up a lawn care company or home cleaning company
Run the business on Thelemic principles and use the profits of the business to aid the members.
Use the profits as interest free loan or grants for education, to pay the health bills of the elderly and sick,
to buy art supplies for the artists, etc.Providing each individual with what he or she needs to contribute to the whole community according to his or her Will. Thus the initial investment in the property will pay for itself with a snow ball effect of interest. (The original investments can be collected from members or by loans from outside investors who can be paid back at an interest rate).
Perhaps this camp might expand and buy more land build more houses, etc. Also it would be one local body, you could have several of these connected. The accumulative wealth, generated from several such cells could put the OTO on par with large corporation, giving a degree of political influence. It does not seem infeasible that such a net work expanded to global size, over time might become the economic match of the Roman Catholicism.
If you doubt this is possible, might I direct you to the history of a little general store called Wal-mart."
I'm not slighting this post in any way, I just want to be clear. I need to get to work, but if I was going to try to communicate this thought/question to you quickly, I would say:
ekklesia -> Acts -> Persecution -> In Hoc Signo Vinces -> Nicea...?
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Personally, I tend to hope for something more like a "93 Theses," but I can't escape the fact that revolutionary ideas are in fact revolutionary - that particular bit of German history to which I'm alluding looking basically the same as the Roman one related above. Even Ra Hoor Khuit is the Lord of the Aeon, I can't help but believe there is such a thing as a Thelemic voice for moderation and peace.
Given, Martin Luther King's voice may not have been so readily accepted if it did not exist as the polar opposite and more preferable future reality to that of Malcolm X. There are circumstances under which the mass mind can be elevated relatively peacefully. At least that is my hope for the future.
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@Frater LA said
"Personally, I tend to hope for something more like a "93 Theses," but I can't escape the fact that revolutionary ideas are in fact revolutionary - that particular bit of German history to which I'm alluding looking basically the same as the Roman one related above. Even Ra Hoor Khuit is the Lord of the Aeon, I can't help but believe there is such a thing as a Thelemic voice for moderation and peace. ."
I think that there will be no "Thelemic" voice of moderation as RaHoor is a god of War and Vengeance. If you buy into the idea that the next Aeon will be of Ma'at then humanity will experience moderation and harmony, but until then the Crowned and Conquering Child most overcome the entropy of the "Old Gods" and the slave religions. If you have a rotten tooth you will have to experience the pain of removal or suffer and die of infection.
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Yes. And now the circle is complete...
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Dissolution into Nuit is peace
Knowledge of Hadit is suffering.
Action of Ra-hoor-Khuit is the manifest world of actuality.The world never has been and never will be at peace. It is the
continuous War of ALL against ALL.
In order to live you have to take the life of plants and animals.
In order to express your will you have to push, shove and slaughter those who get in your way.
The universe is crowded, and is set up so that to the victor go the spoils, Those who refuse to
fight are slaughtered without mercy, by those who desire the other's food, shelter, niche of social influence.There is no such thing as a free lunch. Your liberty to do your WILL is a direct result of your POWER to clear yourself a space in which to act, by might, others will always challenge you and eventually the younger and stronger will win, or the just lucky. That is the world and always will be.
"Every man is King over the circumference of his sword arm, the swords of others will set his limits"
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@Froclown said
"The world never has been and never will be at peace. It is the
continuous War of ALL against ALL. "And the big fish eat the little fish.
Mars is a fact of life and there will always be conflict on planet Earth. Utopian fantasies are just astral dreams. There is no Aeon that is coming that will lift the consciousness of the masses -- the masses must lift themselves up and so far they aren't even lifting a finger, IMHO.
Violence is ubiquitous. I was threatened with a knife and robbed in North Africa. My sister was assaulted at a bus stop and suffered injuries because she tried to hold onto her purse. Those who aren't abusing others are busy abusing themselves with drugs and/or alcohol etc. Those who aren't pursuing direct violence are busy trying to increase their POWER and violate the free will of their fellow man by forcing them to behave according to their own desires.... But these Utopian dreams are really just Power Lust on the part of those who wish to rule and laziness or cowardice on the part of those who prefer to be ruled, rather than take responsibility for creating their own reality.
If a new Aeon is coming that shifts the circumstances of this world such that conflict, negativity, etc. will be significantly reduced the masses of unprepared Souls will make a quick exit. The world is the way it is because the general level of consciousness matches and fits with these conditions. It is not because of external conditions being imposed on innocent souls by dastardly forces, it is the external conditions manifesting to match the level of consciousness of the general population.
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lol... I know, and who can argue against any of your thoughts without themselves embodying them, right?
But, sincerely...
What do the Shepherds of Hermes preach? How can I teach a person to individuate, and thus take their own Divine Rank and role in the living Body of Nuit, if I can't ever affirm their impulses to motherliness, mercy, and compassion? If I can't describe an individual's True Will in those terms, where will the mothers of the Warriors come from? How will families be made stable enough to survive and thrive without any room made for water and salt?
I'm concerned about adaptability of response. If all you have is a hammer, then, yeah, everything might as well be a nail. When it's all said and done, I need to hear a little more about some of the other tools in the psychic medicine bag of the Aeon besides Ra Hoor Khuit. Yes, a hammer is a primary tool, but I'm trying to cut a diamond here...
For Esau sold his birthright for just a bowl of beans
While Jacob wrestled with his Angel and won everything. -
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"The world never has been and never will be at peace. It is the
continuous War of ALL against ALL.
In order to live you have to take the life of plants and animals.
In order to express your will you have to push, shove and slaughter those who get in your way."A simple fact of the initiation process, plainly demonstrable to anyone who persists in following it, is that this perspective is eventually seen to just that - a perspective, not ultimate fact. By the same token, anyone who holds solely to this position is showing him or herself to be locked into an anti-initiation stance, adhering to ego-based mental structures rather than loosening them to expand awareness and understanding.
Of course we suffer pain, theft, loss, conflict, death and all the rest. This is one side of the picture, but as Frater LA points out, it's solely that - one side. Thus, if we take the content of Chapter III of Liber L and apply it solely to Assiah, then yes, we're obviously heading into a couple of millennia of predicted apocalypse, and only the psychopaths will survive. If we see it as a call to inner discipline and transformation, then the perception of apparent conflict existing within a purposeful universe transforms our understanding. We start to recognize that it's our assumed need to push, shove and slaughter that prevents us from seeing this.
And we don't need to be hugely advanced adepts to grasp that. We just have to be willing to let some of our more cherished anxieties dissolve a little.
93 93/93,
Edward
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Behold...! The gift of interpretation of tongues..! lol...
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I never said that this violence is bad. Victory in battle is fulfilling, and the Darwinian results can't be denied as necessary to hone the strength of the race.
How is such a "perspective" not initiation, what about 6=5 the initiation of severity?
Is Mars not also of the Gods?
and does not even Jupiter's divine wisdom strike as a violent thunderbolt of Satori? (path of the star) -
Oh, Absolutely..!
And I applaud your defense of it as scholarly and masterful...! Seriously...
It's just, honestly, as a seeker to what has truly become the Temple of Thelema in my own psyche, I guess the thing that I can't get off my mind is whether the perspective of that initiation, key to this Aeon, is the only perspective allowed within the Temple?
Because I'm incredibly undisciplined and un-advanced as far as what I see as the grade-system of operational definitions goes. I get that. But, you know, seeking at this Temple, I'm of the nature and temperament to have touched my own small piece and color of this Unity, and it's simply more Green than Red, the apparent color of the Aeon.
So, what part does my Libran Green-ness play in what can only be described as this big Red Temple..? Because I was born to be a shepherd and a counselor of the soul. And what voice do I have if not to balance Aries' horned hunt for the Egg?
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Red is the color of Babalon
of course the color of Nuit is Blue and Gold (The azure sky with it's golden stars)and the earth herself is green.
There is a place and a caste for every temperament in the new aeon.
Even the slaves find a place to serve.
As the lover's triad in the OTO is concerned with compassion for the members, in helping with problems and distribution of resources. Also the Empress of the tarot, and the sphere of Chesed.
The Aeon in the Force of fire, but while fire destroys it is also nurtures the well being of the tribe. Fire warms the body and the soul. Fire is ultimately altruistic in it's egoism. Greedily burning all that it can, it gives it's light and warmth freely.
also copper burns green.
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Listen: Michael speaks truly to Auriel...
And Auriel responds...
A king in the great red world may become a piteous slave in the beautiful green (though I must admit the truth of the opposite as well). At times, this is a warning to me. At times, this is my Victory. That's the perspective of this Libra anyway, and the message of this poor shepherd of Hermes... lol...
Don't take that as a slight. What you said was worthy of thought. I hope you find what I have said to be worthy as well.
Peace. lol
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Here - call it an ancient wisdom teaching...
"Don't you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey?"
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there's a difference between a servant and a slave.
withouth the conscious full responsibility, every service (every work, that is) is a slavery.
ergo - the slaves are those who go 'blind' through their expirience(s) in life, although they have the eyes and ability to see.
that's why it is so important *on the individula level * to understand the law of Thelema and consequently live by it - it demands full acceptance of personal responsibility for one's own life. -
I love movies where I can hear the various characters within myself debating. Watchmen was like this. Great film, by the way. The Monty Python films are others.
Another funny one, and one that seems really applicable, if we can all stand to laugh a bit at ourselves, is Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog, an internet film created by Joss Whedon.