The astrum argentum self study program
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Ah, ok then. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen the Latin version of it either. Funny.
No, I have not read your book. Unfortunately I cannot afford it at the moment, but eventually I will. I still have the link you gave me to the Liber AL commentary(which I was just reading on this morning), and somewhere still have your Star Ruby commentary. While I differ in some things, you have some good stuff. I look forward to reading the other stuff as I can.
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I knew Astron Argon before I had even heard of Rovelli or worked with him... I've been around a long time too...
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I heard it called Aster Argos or Greek for "star ship". I think the only ones who know the true name of the A.'.A.'. are those who dwell in the City of Pyramids. S I will rely on their answer
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.
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I addressed that rumor in The Mystical & Magical System of the A.'.A.'..
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Having done as much aethyr travelling using the 19th key with the word for the aethyr in place I have come to a quandary.. I found myself burned alive so that less gross forms of spiritual energy would affect me and I would like to know that whilst this is held in great esteem, why is it that afterwards when one's ashes are placed in the wall one is considered more valuable.
I am tracking this mystery down from a dutch angle, using the original use for the dolmen as a connected sort of take.
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Hey all
The HGA is the TRUE initiator.. But I got into the astral and i did liber samekh, But i've done direct magic, and connecting signatures within my mind, and it lead me to the holy guardian angel anyways.. Or what I call.. Soul.
of course.. Tiphareth is where the solar Guardians of the higher self are found..
Heres what i did, and how i found mine without violating the terms and request of my HGA
I did it 2 ways, and both are validHeres the first way:
- Liber Samekh Is Important..I like Lon Milo Duquette's way of invoking HGA in the Book Magick of Thelema
- Liber Samekh MUST be done in the astral.. You dont have to imagine the tools or the magickal space nor a magical temple.. But thats between your will and your Higher self.
3.If Liber Samekh is hard for you to remember while traveling to the astral, you gotta practice till you memorize every move Just like doing the LBRP for so long you remember it.. Same thing with Liber Samekh so that you when you enter the astral you can go to a place to begin practicing it.. - when HGA/higher self is realized, ask for his sigilum, signature if he's willing to give it to you.. each HGA is different..
If it's too hard to memorize Liber Samekh.. try the second method
Open yourself up and light yourself up astrally and micro and macrocosmically by imagining breathing in light and light enters your lungs and your chest lights up full of light in the minds eye. and breath out a dim mist and imagine the room with misty energy.
that should be done for quite a while until you connect what the minds eye is telling you, you'll notice your energy signatures, most people see energies connecting with other different energies, just follow the connections till you no longer see your own signature energy connection, you'll see a different energy connection.. Whether it be a solar energy connection or what-may-have-you. but this will lead you to your higher self..
Once you connect with that system or connection, began to have knowledge and conversation.. with certain signs and portents these certain signs and portents taught in the holy thelemic books will help you to identify your guardian angel.I hope that made sense
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Like Jim said, Archangels can teach you the A.'. A.'. System.. But The holy guardian angel is better at teaching you the A.'. A.'. Because once you find him you will learn all sorts of magick that is not found in oral instruction, nor in books, magick beyond all reasoning..
What you do with it is up to you.. Solomon ruled the Middle East, and the known world of his time.. Aleister Crowley became very powerful just by saying a "word". litterally a word. I truly believe youre not a real magician until you have the guidance of your HGA.
King Solomon
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Or you can call up a Goetic spirit and command them to become one with you.. slowly changing each cell in your body and each cell in your mind to infuse their spirit and being with their spirit and being..
and you can become that spirit.. And also it will become your HGA..
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Personally i think too much is placed in the hands of the HGA.
Sure you can learn great5 things form him or her and the eing is close to you that does mean that a little dissimlarity and chaos can't supply a better inspiration towards oneness than some fluffbrained lovedovey that ultimately has to be abandoned just to progress.
In the likeness of Tahuti's life i find the HGA more like the cyncephalus than to the higher self in that it is to be called upon in all judgement and exactment of law.
I guess this is just how things work for me and the gods only know which form of madness has not carved it's signature in the grey of my cerebral flesh. -
I would be (in fact, I am) quite distrustful of any reality that I become convinced will be stable, that I begin to think will never change.
The Angel has changed Its presentation, representation, mode of conception, mode of communion - and more! - in every single grade. (Which, of course, means that my projections on the Angel have changed.)
The Angel is never abandoned permanently. (Just look at the current Daily Meditation passages about the relationship of the Magister to Adonai.) There are times, though, that It steps back out of sight - times that we have to let go of the little prior ideas - even one or more times that we have to let go of the whole architecture on which we have framed anything at all (including the whole of our prior projections on the Angel - which, however, were necessary at the time).
So, like the soror just said... Bend over, grab your ankles, and invite the HGA to get on with it.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"So, like the soror just said... Bend over, grab your ankles, and invite the HGA to get on with it."
lol........total surrender. Sad that we have to be so rough with ourselves, but it seems only a forceful crisis negates our rational mind. Yet - I only know this on a much lower octave - what a Joyous horror that Union must be.
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(Paraphrased from memory, but close.)
Ann Davies (M.'.G.'.H.'. Soror Resurgam) was once asked, "If ours is a way of joy, why is there so much suffering all the time?"
Ann thought for a minute, and then replied: "I can only think of two things that bring one closer to God: curiosity and suffering. And I just don't think people are curious enough."
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I think some preliminary work would be helpful in dispelling the belief that surrender implies suffering.
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@AEternitas1 said
"I think some preliminary work would be helpful in dispelling the belief that surrender implies suffering."
I was thinking more along the lines of surrender = curiosity.
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Thinking about this it sounds like surrender and curiosity can be seen as different sides of the coin depending on your perspective. The less you "hold on" to yourself and give in to the curiosity of the beyond the less it seems like surrender with suffereing, possibily.
In Magick Without Tears and discussing the quote in the BOTL - "For pure will, unassuaged of purpose, delivered from the lust of result, is every way perfect." I read this below and found it interesting.
@MWT Letter 17 said
"In these few words is included the whole method without all the bombastic piety of the servile doctrine of mysticism about the surrender of the Will. Nor is this idea of surrender actually correct; the will must be identified with the Divine Will, so-called. One wants to become like a mighty flowing river, which is not consciously aiming at the sea, and is certainly not yielding to any external influence. It is acting in conformity with the law of its own nature, with the Tao. One can describe it, if necessary, as "passive love"; but it is love (in effect) raised to its highest potential. We come back to the same thing: when passion is purged of any "lust of result" it is irresistible; it has become "Law." I can never understand why it is that mystics fail to see that their smarmy doctrine of surrender actually insists upon the duality which they have set out to abolish!"
Of course here he is speaking about Will, but I can see how it can be attached to ego and what one views as the self.
So instead of viewing it as surrender, we can view it as embracing the Divine with all of its mysteries, for love's sake. Then mystically the shadow of suffering can be abolished and reveal that it was only God tickling you...lol.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"So, like the soror just said... Bend over, grab your ankles, and invite the HGA to get on with it."
Nicely put, Jim. Lol. I couldn't help, but laugh at that.
I've always had this view that those higher elements(Adept, Master, etc) have always existed within you. In a way, we have just forgotten them. The world is not maya, but is just as real as the rest of the scale. The illusion is that the world is all there is to our existence. We just have to rediscover those parts of ourselves with the tools(rules of the game we set ourselves) available to us.
The HGA, as I understand it, is a part of us. It is always with us, and always has been. It is a personal god of sorts, throwing away the gods of old, and being something of yourself and your own "vision." I seem to remember somewhere, in one of Crowley's writings, that the HGA overthrows all the ideas of the old slave gods, removing their fetters.
I recall also, I believe from Peter Carroll's Liber Null, that nothing of worth is gained without adversity and challenge. Suffering and surrender. Perhaps surrender is curiosity. The recognition that there is something there, and the search for it, to understand it or accept it. Suffering I've always seen as the dis-ease in one's universe. Perhaps not walking the "correct" path, being outside of one's True Will. Suffering, though, can lead one to discover the cause, thus curiosity.....
Just a couple thoughts. I'm a little distracted, so bear with me. Lol
93et93
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@Kingsolomon said
"You can get stuff from ordoaa.org all the way up to the holy guardian angel degree. "
Even though most of this stuff is online, I found that reading Mr. Eshelman's The Mystical and Magical System of the A .'. A .'. gave me a deeper understanding of what the system is all about. It is an valuable resource that I would recommend to anyone who is considering taking up this great work.
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Will there be a new edition of the book?
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@Alien696 said
"Will there be a new edition of the book?"
The book is presently in print and available. No replacement edition is presently contemplated.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"The book is presently in print and available. No replacement edition is presently contemplated."
I got mine from Amazon. Here's the link > amzn.to/lTIpyx
The book is hardcover and well constructed.
The content is incredible. Jim does a great job of providing the backgrounded need to understand what it is all about and lays the system out grade by grade.