The astrum argentum self study program
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You can get stuff from ordoaa.org all the way up to the holy guardian angel degree. Isnt it possible to self study the A.'. A.'. initiate yourself via spirits. and since theres many lineages of the a.'. a.'. i really dont want to travel to go be initiated when i can asgtral travel to learn.. is selftaught a.'. a.'. possible?
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I really wouldn't want spirits as my initiators, considering that they are lower on the spiritual hierarchy than humanity.
Archangels, maybe. <vbg>
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Just a note: generally speaking in the voodoo and Santeria traditions before initiation the candidate must make contact with his/her ancestrial spirits to ask them to aide in their initiation. In fact, in those traditions you cannot approach the loa without prior contact to the ancestor spirits and generally that contact requires oaths of service. I emphasize that the spirits are SUPOSSED to be there to aide in the initiation of the candidate.
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Even there, they are not the initiators per se. They are witnesses and assistants.
Furthermore, the word "spirit" is misleading in its use there: It doesn't mean the same thing as the word "spirit" in Qabalistic magick. In the cases you cite, it means the living essence of human beings who have died. But that isn't at all what it means in the Goetia (for example), or in the Qabalistic hierarchies, etc.
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@Jim Eshelman said
"Furthermore, the word "spirit" is misleading in its use there: It doesn't mean the same thing as the word "spirit" in Qabalistic magick. In the cases you cite, it means the living essence of human beings who have died. But that isn't at all what it means in the Goetia (for example), or in the Qabalistic hierarchies, etc."
I see your point there.
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I've been trying to work from the perspective that the HGA is the true initiator.
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"I've been trying to work from the perspective that the HGA is the true initiator."
I agree.
"i really dont want to travel to go be initiated when i can asgtral travel to learn"
IMO, it may be a little easier to catch a plane to go get initiated rather than spending years leaning how to astral travel. Just sayin...
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that was my reaction. how worth it to take that flight! that act alone speaks volumes!
"IMO, it may be a little easier to catch a plane to go get initiated rather than spending years leaning how to astral travel. Just sayin...
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BTW I should have mentioned earlier (didn't really notice the subject line of this thread closely)... but the name of the Order is not Astrum Argentum.
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Then what pray tell is the name of the Order?
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@The Old Guitaris said
"Then what pray tell is the name of the Order?"
First of all, if the name were Latin (which it is not), then the correct Latin would be Argentium Astrum.
But the name is Greek, not Latin. It is: Astron Argon.
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93 Care,
Doesn't it go both ways, Jim? I thought the original name was Agentium(Argentinum) Astrum, in Latin. At least that is what I see most common. Astron Argon I hadn't seen, until introduction to the Rovelli Lineage. Just asking, or maybe I read it wrong, and you're just correcting his mismatched usage....
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@FiliusBestia said
"Doesn't it go both ways, Jim? I thought the original name was Agentium(Argentinum) Astrum, in Latin. At least that is what I see most common."
Yes, most commonly stated - but wrong. I'm not aware of any instance of Crowley ever indicating any Latin title. OTOH there are three references (all unpublished IIRC) to the Greek.
"Astron Argon I hadn't seen, until introduction to the Rovelli Lineage."
Ah, you haven't read my book on the A.'.A.'. <vbg> - it's given, and discussed somewhat, in the Introduciton.
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Ah, ok then. Come to think of it, I don't think I've ever seen the Latin version of it either. Funny.
No, I have not read your book. Unfortunately I cannot afford it at the moment, but eventually I will. I still have the link you gave me to the Liber AL commentary(which I was just reading on this morning), and somewhere still have your Star Ruby commentary. While I differ in some things, you have some good stuff. I look forward to reading the other stuff as I can.
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I knew Astron Argon before I had even heard of Rovelli or worked with him... I've been around a long time too...
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I heard it called Aster Argos or Greek for "star ship". I think the only ones who know the true name of the A.'.A.'. are those who dwell in the City of Pyramids. S I will rely on their answer
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.
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I addressed that rumor in The Mystical & Magical System of the A.'.A.'..
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Having done as much aethyr travelling using the 19th key with the word for the aethyr in place I have come to a quandary.. I found myself burned alive so that less gross forms of spiritual energy would affect me and I would like to know that whilst this is held in great esteem, why is it that afterwards when one's ashes are placed in the wall one is considered more valuable.
I am tracking this mystery down from a dutch angle, using the original use for the dolmen as a connected sort of take.
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Hey all
The HGA is the TRUE initiator.. But I got into the astral and i did liber samekh, But i've done direct magic, and connecting signatures within my mind, and it lead me to the holy guardian angel anyways.. Or what I call.. Soul.
of course.. Tiphareth is where the solar Guardians of the higher self are found..
Heres what i did, and how i found mine without violating the terms and request of my HGA
I did it 2 ways, and both are validHeres the first way:
- Liber Samekh Is Important..I like Lon Milo Duquette's way of invoking HGA in the Book Magick of Thelema
- Liber Samekh MUST be done in the astral.. You dont have to imagine the tools or the magickal space nor a magical temple.. But thats between your will and your Higher self.
3.If Liber Samekh is hard for you to remember while traveling to the astral, you gotta practice till you memorize every move Just like doing the LBRP for so long you remember it.. Same thing with Liber Samekh so that you when you enter the astral you can go to a place to begin practicing it.. - when HGA/higher self is realized, ask for his sigilum, signature if he's willing to give it to you.. each HGA is different..
If it's too hard to memorize Liber Samekh.. try the second method
Open yourself up and light yourself up astrally and micro and macrocosmically by imagining breathing in light and light enters your lungs and your chest lights up full of light in the minds eye. and breath out a dim mist and imagine the room with misty energy.
that should be done for quite a while until you connect what the minds eye is telling you, you'll notice your energy signatures, most people see energies connecting with other different energies, just follow the connections till you no longer see your own signature energy connection, you'll see a different energy connection.. Whether it be a solar energy connection or what-may-have-you. but this will lead you to your higher self..
Once you connect with that system or connection, began to have knowledge and conversation.. with certain signs and portents these certain signs and portents taught in the holy thelemic books will help you to identify your guardian angel.I hope that made sense
King Solomon -
Like Jim said, Archangels can teach you the A.'. A.'. System.. But The holy guardian angel is better at teaching you the A.'. A.'. Because once you find him you will learn all sorts of magick that is not found in oral instruction, nor in books, magick beyond all reasoning..
What you do with it is up to you.. Solomon ruled the Middle East, and the known world of his time.. Aleister Crowley became very powerful just by saying a "word". litterally a word. I truly believe youre not a real magician until you have the guidance of your HGA.
King Solomon