Babalon, Chaos, the Beast
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I'm a bit confused- as far as I know, Babalon is a feminine counterpoint to the Great Beast, but I read recently that her consort is Chaos. I wasn't aware that Chaos was in the Thelemic pantheon, and I'm not sure how he/it fits in. Any clarification about how the whole Therion-Chaos-Babalon dynamic works would be appreciated.
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I'm a bit confused- as far as I know, Babalon is a feminine counterpoint to the Great Beast, but I read recently that her consort is Chaos. I wasn't aware that Chaos was in the Thelemic pantheon, and I'm not sure how he/it fits in. Any clarification about how the whole Therion-Chaos-Babalon dynamic works would be appreciated.
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I'm a bit confused- as far as I know, Babalon is a feminine counterpoint to the Great Beast, but I read recently that her consort is Chaos. I wasn't aware that Chaos was in the Thelemic pantheon, and I'm not sure how he/it fits in. Any clarification about how the whole Therion-Chaos-Babalon dynamic works would be appreciated.
@veritas_in_nox said
"I'm a bit confused- as far as I know, Babalon is a feminine counterpoint to the Great Beast, but I read recently that her consort is Chaos. I wasn't aware that Chaos was in the Thelemic pantheon, and I'm not sure how he/it fits in. Any clarification about how the whole Therion-Chaos-Babalon dynamic works would be appreciated."
Therion and Chaos are both expressions of Chokmah archetypes.
I think it best, in most circumstances, to think of Babalon and Therion as the Briatic (i.e., archetypal) expressions of Binah and Chokmah, respectively. Chaos is another way to express the Chokmah idea.
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I'm a bit confused- as far as I know, Babalon is a feminine counterpoint to the Great Beast, but I read recently that her consort is Chaos. I wasn't aware that Chaos was in the Thelemic pantheon, and I'm not sure how he/it fits in. Any clarification about how the whole Therion-Chaos-Babalon dynamic works would be appreciated.
@Angel of Death said
"ps Personally Chaos is feminine in my world."
Yes, I think the classical concept of Chaos (as "the original dark void from which everything else appeared", to quote Wikipedia) is more like Binah (or Ain) than Chokmah. Crowley's use of the term seems idiosyncratic.
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I'm a bit confused- as far as I know, Babalon is a feminine counterpoint to the Great Beast, but I read recently that her consort is Chaos. I wasn't aware that Chaos was in the Thelemic pantheon, and I'm not sure how he/it fits in. Any clarification about how the whole Therion-Chaos-Babalon dynamic works would be appreciated.
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@gmugmble said
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@Angel of Death said
"ps Personally Chaos is feminine in my world."Yes, I think the classical concept of Chaos (as "the original dark void from which everything else appeared", to quote Wikipedia) is more like Binah (or Ain) than Chokmah. Crowley's use of the term seems idiosyncratic."
Thats interesting. When I think of Chaos I think of Chokmah since Chaos is just Force without Form.....His bride Babalon being Binah since Binah gives Form to Chokmah.
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.
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I'm a bit confused- as far as I know, Babalon is a feminine counterpoint to the Great Beast, but I read recently that her consort is Chaos. I wasn't aware that Chaos was in the Thelemic pantheon, and I'm not sure how he/it fits in. Any clarification about how the whole Therion-Chaos-Babalon dynamic works would be appreciated.
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I'm a bit confused- as far as I know, Babalon is a feminine counterpoint to the Great Beast, but I read recently that her consort is Chaos. I wasn't aware that Chaos was in the Thelemic pantheon, and I'm not sure how he/it fits in. Any clarification about how the whole Therion-Chaos-Babalon dynamic works would be appreciated.
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@danica said
"I see it like this:
Chaos is feminine to Kether, masculine to Binah
... it is the primordial womb, but also the spermatozoon
(Yod)"Thats exactly how I understand it
There is no law beyond Do what thou wilt.
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I'm a bit confused- as far as I know, Babalon is a feminine counterpoint to the Great Beast, but I read recently that her consort is Chaos. I wasn't aware that Chaos was in the Thelemic pantheon, and I'm not sure how he/it fits in. Any clarification about how the whole Therion-Chaos-Babalon dynamic works would be appreciated.
This link does a great job of explaining the relationship - unusmundus-melie.blogspot.com/2011/05/writing-by-me-babalon-and-her-consort.html
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I'm a bit confused- as far as I know, Babalon is a feminine counterpoint to the Great Beast, but I read recently that her consort is Chaos. I wasn't aware that Chaos was in the Thelemic pantheon, and I'm not sure how he/it fits in. Any clarification about how the whole Therion-Chaos-Babalon dynamic works would be appreciated.
@gmugmble said
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@Angel of Death said
"ps Personally Chaos is feminine in my world."Yes, I think the classical concept of Chaos (as "the original dark void from which everything else appeared", to quote Wikipedia) is more like Binah (or Ain) than Chokmah. Crowley's use of the term seems idiosyncratic."
Crowley's use of Chaos for the Father comes from the Vision and the Voice so his usage is from the root book of Thelemic cosmology. Liber 418 is a sorely neglected text in Thelemic circles and yet it answers so many of these questions that people repeatedly ask or wonder about.
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I'm a bit confused- as far as I know, Babalon is a feminine counterpoint to the Great Beast, but I read recently that her consort is Chaos. I wasn't aware that Chaos was in the Thelemic pantheon, and I'm not sure how he/it fits in. Any clarification about how the whole Therion-Chaos-Babalon dynamic works would be appreciated.
@frateruranus said
"Crowley's use of Chaos for the Father comes from the Vision and the Voice so his usage is from the root book of Thelemic cosmology. Liber 418 is a sorely neglected text in Thelemic circles and yet it answers so many of these questions that people repeatedly ask or wonder about."
Quite true about Liber 418. Perhaps I should have said that Liber 418's use of the name "Chaos" seems idiosyncratic to me.