Question about the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram
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I have begun experimenting with the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram and I have a question about how to use it. From what I have read about this ritual, I believe that it is supposed to be used as a way to tap into a specific elemental force, correct?
If so, then in performing the ritual, are you suppose to invoke the same element in all four quarters?
That addition is david's addition, not a standard distinction.
On the last paragraph, I'm not sure what distinction you are drawing between the Greater and the Supreme. The GD had no Greater, only a Lesser and a Supreme. In Liber O, the Supreme is renamed the Greater. I have reverted to calling it Supreme because there IS a Greater Ritual of the Pentagram that has never been published, so I'm pretty sure it's not what you mean.
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I have begun experimenting with the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram and I have a question about how to use it. From what I have read about this ritual, I believe that it is supposed to be used as a way to tap into a specific elemental force, correct?
If so, then in performing the ritual, are you suppose to invoke the same element in all four quarters?
@Jim Eshelman said
"That addition is david's addition, not a standard distinction.
On the last paragraph, I'm not sure what distinction you are drawing between the Greater and the Supreme. The GD had no Greater, only a Lesser and a Supreme. In Liber O, the Supreme is renamed the Greater. I have reverted to calling it Supreme because there IS a Greater Ritual of the Pentagram that has never been published, so I'm pretty sure it's not what you mean."
Oh, I forgot about that. Yeah, the Supreme I've read includes different enochian invocations (EXARP, for example), kerubic smbols drawn into each Pentagram, plus the Invocation of the Archangels at the end. Probably not what you meant either.
In Griffin's Manual, which currently serves as a basis for the GD student, there are difference between the Greater, which are for invoking/banishing specific elements, and Supreme, which are for balance the four elements. That's why I asked, I'm slowly shifting from a GD to a more holistic perspective, so I still confuse a thing or two. Thanks for the clarification.
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I have begun experimenting with the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram and I have a question about how to use it. From what I have read about this ritual, I believe that it is supposed to be used as a way to tap into a specific elemental force, correct?
If so, then in performing the ritual, are you suppose to invoke the same element in all four quarters?
Yeah, that's all David's thing. On the premise of "Don't say anything if you can't say something nice," I'll drop out of this thread now.
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I have begun experimenting with the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram and I have a question about how to use it. From what I have read about this ritual, I believe that it is supposed to be used as a way to tap into a specific elemental force, correct?
If so, then in performing the ritual, are you suppose to invoke the same element in all four quarters?
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I have begun experimenting with the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram and I have a question about how to use it. From what I have read about this ritual, I believe that it is supposed to be used as a way to tap into a specific elemental force, correct?
If so, then in performing the ritual, are you suppose to invoke the same element in all four quarters?
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I have begun experimenting with the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram and I have a question about how to use it. From what I have read about this ritual, I believe that it is supposed to be used as a way to tap into a specific elemental force, correct?
If so, then in performing the ritual, are you suppose to invoke the same element in all four quarters?
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I have begun experimenting with the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram and I have a question about how to use it. From what I have read about this ritual, I believe that it is supposed to be used as a way to tap into a specific elemental force, correct?
If so, then in performing the ritual, are you suppose to invoke the same element in all four quarters?
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I have begun experimenting with the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram and I have a question about how to use it. From what I have read about this ritual, I believe that it is supposed to be used as a way to tap into a specific elemental force, correct?
If so, then in performing the ritual, are you suppose to invoke the same element in all four quarters?
@danica said
"Jim, question about the Supreme Invoking Ritual of Pentagram:
is it to be done on its own, like the "generic" LBRP, or the Invoking should be followed by Banishing?"
Though there could be exceptions, one generally wants to banish after invoking.
One exception: The Supreme Ritual, due to its wholeness, could be used as a type of Abramelin ritual (notice its structural similarity to Liber Samekh, for example). If one were working in a set-aside temple that had already been cleansed and consecrated, and wasn't used for anything else, and performed this (alone, or as part of a larger set) daily for a specific period of time, then one wouldn't banish after. In such an operation, one just keeps one's psyche on high simmer in the crock pot.
In fact, as a parallel, remember that no banishing rituals (only invoking rituals) are ever performed in the Vault of the Adepts; and this ritual is one that is suitable to perform in that place, or another place consecrated in the same way.
However, those are special cases. In general, one banishes after invoking (for a whole lot of good reasons).
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I have begun experimenting with the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram and I have a question about how to use it. From what I have read about this ritual, I believe that it is supposed to be used as a way to tap into a specific elemental force, correct?
If so, then in performing the ritual, are you suppose to invoke the same element in all four quarters?
Thank you.
After a good decade of daily LBRP, I felt the need to switch to daily SRP. Performed the Invoking this morning, and the observable effects - I can say so far that the word "supreme" in its title is not an idle word!
I work in an improvised Temple, it's a shared room during most of the day, except when I withdraw there for mystical & magickal practices (usually twice daily). Currently, I have a week for solitary use of this space.
Will go for now with the banishing in the evening.
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I have begun experimenting with the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram and I have a question about how to use it. From what I have read about this ritual, I believe that it is supposed to be used as a way to tap into a specific elemental force, correct?
If so, then in performing the ritual, are you suppose to invoke the same element in all four quarters?
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Mr. Eshelman, I have question about SRP of four elements: in what color should one visualize the pentagrams and especially the connecting line?
Thanks in advance!
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I have begun experimenting with the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram and I have a question about how to use it. From what I have read about this ritual, I believe that it is supposed to be used as a way to tap into a specific elemental force, correct?
If so, then in performing the ritual, are you suppose to invoke the same element in all four quarters?
@Quaestor Lucis said
"Mr. Eshelman, I have question about SRP of four elements: in what color should one visualize the pentagrams and especially the connecting line? "
I recommend seeing the background in the elemental colors, and the pentagrams on them in the flashing colors, e.g., green on red for Fire.
For the four elements, it gets complicated. Here's where you need to trust your astral senses more than your imagination and, perhaps, try not to be obsessive about transitions. Each quarter thus has a different background color, the line changes color between them etc.; I think it a (minor) mistake to try to force it too extremely, e.g., making sure the room is exact quadrants etc., though often it will turn out this way by the end. Reality gets fuzzy mid-quadrant, but quite acute and concentrated at the quarters where the pentagrams appear.
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I have begun experimenting with the Greater Ritual of the Pentagram and I have a question about how to use it. From what I have read about this ritual, I believe that it is supposed to be used as a way to tap into a specific elemental force, correct?
If so, then in performing the ritual, are you suppose to invoke the same element in all four quarters?
Thank you! But how about the spirit pentagrams? Black on white for active one and white on black for passive one? Or how? Do you imagine the spirit wheel in its center?