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  • J Jim Eshelman

    Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

    We have enough copies of The Mystical & Magical System of the A.'.A.'. in stock for about one more year (at current sales rate). That means that, late this year, we will be deciding what we want to do about republishing it next year.

    There are several options. I thought I'd let all of you weigh in. The vote isn't binding, but I'm interested in what you have to say on the matter.

    Here are some of the options:

    1. Print it just exactly the way it is - hardcover, same large-size format
    2. Print it in the same large format, but go to paperback
    3. Redesign the book for the 6" x 9" format used for Visions & Voices - presumably paperback but conceivably hard cover

    If we go to paperback, we will still get the best binding we can - it's not the same as the hardcover binding, but far better than the binding on most paperbacks on the market today. Also, though we would expect the paperback cost to be significantly less than hard cover, we won't know what either price will be until we spec the book and bid the job.

    There will not be new content, and I do not anticipate significant changes. Since we will be going over every page, I'll read every page and make any small adjustments that strike me, but nothing serious. If we reformat to 6" x 9" these could be a little more extreme, because it's not just a matter of shrinking the pages - it's a matter of redesigning the whole thing, so every page gets a new layout and I'm likely to make adjustments (small trims or small adds) to support the layout here and there.

    And I may not have thought of all the considerations that would interest you... so I'm throwing it out for voting and discussion. Thoughts?

    Thanks in advance.

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    jefffaust
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    I am looking to study Thelema on my own. Would this be a good book to purchase for like a home study course in Thelema. I am thinking of buying it but I would like to know more about it.

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    • J Jim Eshelman

      Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

      We have enough copies of The Mystical & Magical System of the A.'.A.'. in stock for about one more year (at current sales rate). That means that, late this year, we will be deciding what we want to do about republishing it next year.

      There are several options. I thought I'd let all of you weigh in. The vote isn't binding, but I'm interested in what you have to say on the matter.

      Here are some of the options:

      1. Print it just exactly the way it is - hardcover, same large-size format
      2. Print it in the same large format, but go to paperback
      3. Redesign the book for the 6" x 9" format used for Visions & Voices - presumably paperback but conceivably hard cover

      If we go to paperback, we will still get the best binding we can - it's not the same as the hardcover binding, but far better than the binding on most paperbacks on the market today. Also, though we would expect the paperback cost to be significantly less than hard cover, we won't know what either price will be until we spec the book and bid the job.

      There will not be new content, and I do not anticipate significant changes. Since we will be going over every page, I'll read every page and make any small adjustments that strike me, but nothing serious. If we reformat to 6" x 9" these could be a little more extreme, because it's not just a matter of shrinking the pages - it's a matter of redesigning the whole thing, so every page gets a new layout and I'm likely to make adjustments (small trims or small adds) to support the layout here and there.

      And I may not have thought of all the considerations that would interest you... so I'm throwing it out for voting and discussion. Thoughts?

      Thanks in advance.

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      Anonymous
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      This is the first book I read that Jim Eshelman wrote. It introduced me to a lot of ideas, history, and methods that were pretty new to me. It was one of the reasons I became aware that the Temple of Thelema existed and for those things it is a foundation in how I've pursued my path which is Thelemic.

      That being said - I don't know if I would call it a "home study course in Thelema", but it certainly can be. It gives introductions into the concepts, people, and systems that give the system of the A.'.A.'. context and then goes on to give an in-depth description of the system. Check out the Periodicals and Monographs in the C.O.T. Pulications as well as they are also very interesting.

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      • J Jim Eshelman

        Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

        We have enough copies of The Mystical & Magical System of the A.'.A.'. in stock for about one more year (at current sales rate). That means that, late this year, we will be deciding what we want to do about republishing it next year.

        There are several options. I thought I'd let all of you weigh in. The vote isn't binding, but I'm interested in what you have to say on the matter.

        Here are some of the options:

        1. Print it just exactly the way it is - hardcover, same large-size format
        2. Print it in the same large format, but go to paperback
        3. Redesign the book for the 6" x 9" format used for Visions & Voices - presumably paperback but conceivably hard cover

        If we go to paperback, we will still get the best binding we can - it's not the same as the hardcover binding, but far better than the binding on most paperbacks on the market today. Also, though we would expect the paperback cost to be significantly less than hard cover, we won't know what either price will be until we spec the book and bid the job.

        There will not be new content, and I do not anticipate significant changes. Since we will be going over every page, I'll read every page and make any small adjustments that strike me, but nothing serious. If we reformat to 6" x 9" these could be a little more extreme, because it's not just a matter of shrinking the pages - it's a matter of redesigning the whole thing, so every page gets a new layout and I'm likely to make adjustments (small trims or small adds) to support the layout here and there.

        And I may not have thought of all the considerations that would interest you... so I'm throwing it out for voting and discussion. Thoughts?

        Thanks in advance.

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        Anonymous
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        Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

        I think it's important to distinguish between study of Thelema and spiritual attainment, A∴A∴ or otherwise.

        Love is the law, love under will.

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        • J Jim Eshelman

          Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

          We have enough copies of The Mystical & Magical System of the A.'.A.'. in stock for about one more year (at current sales rate). That means that, late this year, we will be deciding what we want to do about republishing it next year.

          There are several options. I thought I'd let all of you weigh in. The vote isn't binding, but I'm interested in what you have to say on the matter.

          Here are some of the options:

          1. Print it just exactly the way it is - hardcover, same large-size format
          2. Print it in the same large format, but go to paperback
          3. Redesign the book for the 6" x 9" format used for Visions & Voices - presumably paperback but conceivably hard cover

          If we go to paperback, we will still get the best binding we can - it's not the same as the hardcover binding, but far better than the binding on most paperbacks on the market today. Also, though we would expect the paperback cost to be significantly less than hard cover, we won't know what either price will be until we spec the book and bid the job.

          There will not be new content, and I do not anticipate significant changes. Since we will be going over every page, I'll read every page and make any small adjustments that strike me, but nothing serious. If we reformat to 6" x 9" these could be a little more extreme, because it's not just a matter of shrinking the pages - it's a matter of redesigning the whole thing, so every page gets a new layout and I'm likely to make adjustments (small trims or small adds) to support the layout here and there.

          And I may not have thought of all the considerations that would interest you... so I'm throwing it out for voting and discussion. Thoughts?

          Thanks in advance.

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          Shamati
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          I wonder if anyone knows a store in the EU that sell this book??

          Oh well, maybe the time has come to get one of those tablets after all

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          • J Jim Eshelman

            Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

            We have enough copies of The Mystical & Magical System of the A.'.A.'. in stock for about one more year (at current sales rate). That means that, late this year, we will be deciding what we want to do about republishing it next year.

            There are several options. I thought I'd let all of you weigh in. The vote isn't binding, but I'm interested in what you have to say on the matter.

            Here are some of the options:

            1. Print it just exactly the way it is - hardcover, same large-size format
            2. Print it in the same large format, but go to paperback
            3. Redesign the book for the 6" x 9" format used for Visions & Voices - presumably paperback but conceivably hard cover

            If we go to paperback, we will still get the best binding we can - it's not the same as the hardcover binding, but far better than the binding on most paperbacks on the market today. Also, though we would expect the paperback cost to be significantly less than hard cover, we won't know what either price will be until we spec the book and bid the job.

            There will not be new content, and I do not anticipate significant changes. Since we will be going over every page, I'll read every page and make any small adjustments that strike me, but nothing serious. If we reformat to 6" x 9" these could be a little more extreme, because it's not just a matter of shrinking the pages - it's a matter of redesigning the whole thing, so every page gets a new layout and I'm likely to make adjustments (small trims or small adds) to support the layout here and there.

            And I may not have thought of all the considerations that would interest you... so I'm throwing it out for voting and discussion. Thoughts?

            Thanks in advance.

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            Jim Eshelman
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            @Shamati said

            "I wonder if anyone knows a store in the EU that sell this book??"

            Amazon has it at about half price right now. If you ordered it, the shipping would probably only bring it to about the usual full price.

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            • J Jim Eshelman

              Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

              We have enough copies of The Mystical & Magical System of the A.'.A.'. in stock for about one more year (at current sales rate). That means that, late this year, we will be deciding what we want to do about republishing it next year.

              There are several options. I thought I'd let all of you weigh in. The vote isn't binding, but I'm interested in what you have to say on the matter.

              Here are some of the options:

              1. Print it just exactly the way it is - hardcover, same large-size format
              2. Print it in the same large format, but go to paperback
              3. Redesign the book for the 6" x 9" format used for Visions & Voices - presumably paperback but conceivably hard cover

              If we go to paperback, we will still get the best binding we can - it's not the same as the hardcover binding, but far better than the binding on most paperbacks on the market today. Also, though we would expect the paperback cost to be significantly less than hard cover, we won't know what either price will be until we spec the book and bid the job.

              There will not be new content, and I do not anticipate significant changes. Since we will be going over every page, I'll read every page and make any small adjustments that strike me, but nothing serious. If we reformat to 6" x 9" these could be a little more extreme, because it's not just a matter of shrinking the pages - it's a matter of redesigning the whole thing, so every page gets a new layout and I'm likely to make adjustments (small trims or small adds) to support the layout here and there.

              And I may not have thought of all the considerations that would interest you... so I'm throwing it out for voting and discussion. Thoughts?

              Thanks in advance.

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              Shamati
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              @Jim Eshelman said

              "
              @Shamati said
              "I wonder if anyone knows a store in the EU that sell this book??"

              Amazon has it at about half price right now. If you ordered it, the shipping would probably only bring it to about the usual full price."

              Ok, thanks, I'll check it out.

              Did you ever think about releasing the book in some kind of digital format?

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              • J Jim Eshelman

                Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

                We have enough copies of The Mystical & Magical System of the A.'.A.'. in stock for about one more year (at current sales rate). That means that, late this year, we will be deciding what we want to do about republishing it next year.

                There are several options. I thought I'd let all of you weigh in. The vote isn't binding, but I'm interested in what you have to say on the matter.

                Here are some of the options:

                1. Print it just exactly the way it is - hardcover, same large-size format
                2. Print it in the same large format, but go to paperback
                3. Redesign the book for the 6" x 9" format used for Visions & Voices - presumably paperback but conceivably hard cover

                If we go to paperback, we will still get the best binding we can - it's not the same as the hardcover binding, but far better than the binding on most paperbacks on the market today. Also, though we would expect the paperback cost to be significantly less than hard cover, we won't know what either price will be until we spec the book and bid the job.

                There will not be new content, and I do not anticipate significant changes. Since we will be going over every page, I'll read every page and make any small adjustments that strike me, but nothing serious. If we reformat to 6" x 9" these could be a little more extreme, because it's not just a matter of shrinking the pages - it's a matter of redesigning the whole thing, so every page gets a new layout and I'm likely to make adjustments (small trims or small adds) to support the layout here and there.

                And I may not have thought of all the considerations that would interest you... so I'm throwing it out for voting and discussion. Thoughts?

                Thanks in advance.

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                Jim Eshelman
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                @Shamati said

                "Did you ever think about releasing the book in some kind of digital format?"

                The idea has been tossed about. However, there isn't a satisfactory solution (i.e., a solution that satisfies us). In any case, it would require completely reworking the layout, which would take me at least six months, maybe longer. I would only do it we could release it on Kindle, and there are not satisfactory solutions for such things as non-English fonts.

                That's a main reason none of my books is in Kindle format btw ... I've said I'll do it the first time I write a book that doesn't have any Hebrew, Greek, or Enochian in it <g>.

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                • J Jim Eshelman

                  Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

                  We have enough copies of The Mystical & Magical System of the A.'.A.'. in stock for about one more year (at current sales rate). That means that, late this year, we will be deciding what we want to do about republishing it next year.

                  There are several options. I thought I'd let all of you weigh in. The vote isn't binding, but I'm interested in what you have to say on the matter.

                  Here are some of the options:

                  1. Print it just exactly the way it is - hardcover, same large-size format
                  2. Print it in the same large format, but go to paperback
                  3. Redesign the book for the 6" x 9" format used for Visions & Voices - presumably paperback but conceivably hard cover

                  If we go to paperback, we will still get the best binding we can - it's not the same as the hardcover binding, but far better than the binding on most paperbacks on the market today. Also, though we would expect the paperback cost to be significantly less than hard cover, we won't know what either price will be until we spec the book and bid the job.

                  There will not be new content, and I do not anticipate significant changes. Since we will be going over every page, I'll read every page and make any small adjustments that strike me, but nothing serious. If we reformat to 6" x 9" these could be a little more extreme, because it's not just a matter of shrinking the pages - it's a matter of redesigning the whole thing, so every page gets a new layout and I'm likely to make adjustments (small trims or small adds) to support the layout here and there.

                  And I may not have thought of all the considerations that would interest you... so I'm throwing it out for voting and discussion. Thoughts?

                  Thanks in advance.

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                  Barrackubus
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                  The way it is is just perfect.The hardcover will make it more resilent to elements that can take place with books.

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                  • J Jim Eshelman

                    Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

                    We have enough copies of The Mystical & Magical System of the A.'.A.'. in stock for about one more year (at current sales rate). That means that, late this year, we will be deciding what we want to do about republishing it next year.

                    There are several options. I thought I'd let all of you weigh in. The vote isn't binding, but I'm interested in what you have to say on the matter.

                    Here are some of the options:

                    1. Print it just exactly the way it is - hardcover, same large-size format
                    2. Print it in the same large format, but go to paperback
                    3. Redesign the book for the 6" x 9" format used for Visions & Voices - presumably paperback but conceivably hard cover

                    If we go to paperback, we will still get the best binding we can - it's not the same as the hardcover binding, but far better than the binding on most paperbacks on the market today. Also, though we would expect the paperback cost to be significantly less than hard cover, we won't know what either price will be until we spec the book and bid the job.

                    There will not be new content, and I do not anticipate significant changes. Since we will be going over every page, I'll read every page and make any small adjustments that strike me, but nothing serious. If we reformat to 6" x 9" these could be a little more extreme, because it's not just a matter of shrinking the pages - it's a matter of redesigning the whole thing, so every page gets a new layout and I'm likely to make adjustments (small trims or small adds) to support the layout here and there.

                    And I may not have thought of all the considerations that would interest you... so I'm throwing it out for voting and discussion. Thoughts?

                    Thanks in advance.

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                    wanderer-exile
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                    I just voted for the 6 x 9 paperback. I had no trouble voting with Google Chrome.

                    Have you considered going the print-on-demand route? I've published a number of books that way. ... I presume it's currently out-of-print. The price on amazon is going up and up.

                    I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR WRITING THIS BOOK. It was of immeasurable help as I worked my way through the Crowley Curriculum.

                    Here are the end results of that study. (I hope posting this here doesn't break any forum rules.)

                    www.lulu.com/shop/amun-atum/adeptus-exemptus-thesis/paperback/product-23065943.html

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                    • J Jim Eshelman

                      Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.

                      We have enough copies of The Mystical & Magical System of the A.'.A.'. in stock for about one more year (at current sales rate). That means that, late this year, we will be deciding what we want to do about republishing it next year.

                      There are several options. I thought I'd let all of you weigh in. The vote isn't binding, but I'm interested in what you have to say on the matter.

                      Here are some of the options:

                      1. Print it just exactly the way it is - hardcover, same large-size format
                      2. Print it in the same large format, but go to paperback
                      3. Redesign the book for the 6" x 9" format used for Visions & Voices - presumably paperback but conceivably hard cover

                      If we go to paperback, we will still get the best binding we can - it's not the same as the hardcover binding, but far better than the binding on most paperbacks on the market today. Also, though we would expect the paperback cost to be significantly less than hard cover, we won't know what either price will be until we spec the book and bid the job.

                      There will not be new content, and I do not anticipate significant changes. Since we will be going over every page, I'll read every page and make any small adjustments that strike me, but nothing serious. If we reformat to 6" x 9" these could be a little more extreme, because it's not just a matter of shrinking the pages - it's a matter of redesigning the whole thing, so every page gets a new layout and I'm likely to make adjustments (small trims or small adds) to support the layout here and there.

                      And I may not have thought of all the considerations that would interest you... so I'm throwing it out for voting and discussion. Thoughts?

                      Thanks in advance.

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                      Jim Eshelman
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                      @wanderer-exile said

                      "Have you considered going the print-on-demand route."

                      That would be completely against our underlying goal of producing the highest quality physical books, created to last a century.

                      Thanks for your vote. It probably doesn't matter now (the question was asked years ago and I don't expect to have time to completely, top-to-bottom, rewrite and restructure the book in the next few years - it would be about a year of work if I had nothing else big on my docket.) I'd like to do some significant rewrite before I die, so I'll have have to plan not to die in the immediate future 😄

                      It's out of stock, but being reprinted. I just asked the other day when the copies are due. This usually only takes a few weeks.

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