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@Jim Eshelman said
"The ego certainly can be stunned momentarily by dhyana; but that's mostly a stunning of the intellect and reactive faculties."
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Exactly. Stunning is a good word.
Temp dissolution of the 'I' and 'mine' notion (ahamkara), however, only happens in samadhi. Cognitive functions are shut down, only ................. remain.
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@Dar es Allrah said
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@Frater INRI said
"Temp dissolution of the 'I' and 'mine' notion (ahamkara), however, only happens in samadhi. "Untrue. The formless states of dhyana are also characterised by a loss of 'I', and a unity with all. It really depends on who you read on which continent though. "
A good orgasm will give "temporary dissolution of the 'I'," if you don't concern yourself with how long "temporary" is.
Dar, I'm using the term only as in classic Hindu literature (just to be clear about word usage / definitions).
"People lose a sense of 'I' and mine all the time, even when they aren't consciously trying in meditation."
Indeed!
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@Dar es Allrah said
"The formless states of dhyana are also characterised by a loss of 'I', and a unity with all. "
Yep, formless state of dhyana can be equal to samadhi.
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@Jim Eshelman said
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"People lose a sense of 'I' and mine all the time, even when they aren't consciously trying in meditation."
Indeed!"
Ehm, "losing the sense of I and Mine" is not the same as samadhi, in my opinion (it seems we are talking about the different thing here).
I lose the sense of pretty much everything while driving a very well known route, for example. But that doesn't even come close to the inner bliss, peace and LVX experienced in samadhi. -
@Frater INRI said
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@Jim Eshelman said
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"People lose a sense of 'I' and mine all the time, even when they aren't consciously trying in meditation."Indeed!"
Ehm, "losing the sense of I and Mine" is not the same as samadhi, in my opinion (it seems we are talking about the different thing here)."
Exactly! That's what I've been saying
"Strike! O, take me now, in an instant. Strike! with the passionate strength of thy love to overwhelm this silly thought I have of Thee, this struggling artifice. Flood the channels of my nerves with the lightning current of Thyself." - Liber Amoris vel Calicis, v. 17
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@Jim Eshelman said
""Strike! O, take me now, in an instant. Strike! with the passionate strength of thy love to overwhelm this silly thought I have of Thee, this struggling artifice. Flood the channels of my nerves with the lightning current of Thyself." - Liber Amoris vel Calicis, v. 17"
Lovely Jim, sweet indeed.
Can the Liber in question be found anywhere in its entirety, pls?
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@Dar es Allrah said
"Hellenism or Revelation... that is the question....
Apparently..
Not.
And..
Yet..."93
<smile>
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@Frater INRI said
"Can the Liber in question be found anywhere in its entirety, pls?"
Along with some of my old poetry here: aumha.org/a/poems.htm
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Thank you, Jim.
This touched my heart, striking deeply :
10. I am alone, in a cold, grey, desolate land. There is no other to be found, no companion to ease the going. Yet Thou art the Light I bear (even when I know it not), and the strong, single staff that supporteth me.
and yet:
16. Think not to hide from me, O belovéd One, in thy grotesqueries. I see Thee behind thy mask. It is thy lovely body which I love beneath these motley veils, this midnight comedy; for there is none other than Thee to my eyes, my taste, my touch.
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Simply red.
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