My Venus working experience
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We all read through the prism of our own demonology. Veronica, you are writing words into what you have read that are not what was written.
Granted, you could be correct in filling those "blanks" between the lines in, or your could be wrong. But either case, it is you.
He wrote that he performed a rite to "improve intimacy" in his relationship. Exact words are: "I decided to make a venus talisman for improving intimacy between me and my partner." I read that as an internal result, you read it as if he was seeking external results. If I were to perform such a rite, I know the type of results I'm getting are pretty much what his looked like, an opportunity to improve intimacy.
Now... there may be another problem, I read intimacy as just that, intimacy - closeness, a kind of uniting in the heart area - you may be correct though and all he meant was sex. That's how women often use that "word." When I read intimacy, I think intimacy. If he has the kind of vocabulary and consideration for language that when he writes the word "intimacy" he means "sex," no wonder his partner and him aren't meeting in the heart.
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I never implied once that all he wanted was sex, nor that my ideas about intimacy are about sex alone. Yet in his own words, in his rite he wrote "-Then I performed middle pillar and visualize a hot tantric sex and charged it with the release of energy from my Muladhara on the object.". He clearly does not say he visualized intimate conversations, trust, tenderness compassion, closeness or any other aspect of intimacy, Only "a hot tantric sex"
I also clearly state things that I understand are IMO, and ime, and that ymmv.
This person honestly asked for comments, I personally thought he hadn't received any valuable comments, ( except Mr. Eshelmans).
I also feel Takamba that you continuously point out insignificant points in all my posts, devaluing my significant remarks, Which feels like an attempt to discredit me and my insights completely.
I wrote words in response to what was written.
you didn't offer this man any practical ideas, nor were you able to detect the falsity and implications of that rite. That's not my fault. What was written was a rite involving another human being, without her informed consent. To me that's pretty much the bottom line of it. To me, in my world that's BAD magick, yet again....ymmv. -
@Veronica said
"I never implied once that all he wanted was sex, nor that my ideas about intimacy are about sex alone. Yet in his own words, in his rite he wrote "-Then I performed middle pillar and visualize a hot tantric sex and charged it with the release of energy from my Muladhara on the object.". He clearly does not say he visualized intimate conversations, trust, tenderness compassion, closeness or any other aspect of intimacy, Only "a hot tantric sex"
I also clearly state things that I understand are IMO, and ime, and that ymmv.
This person honestly asked for comments, I personally thought he hadn't received any valuable comments, ( except Mr. Eshelmans).
I also feel Takamba that you continuously point out insignificant points in all my posts, devaluing my significant remarks, Which feels like an attempt to discredit me and my insights completely.
I wrote words in response to what was written.
you didn't offer this man any practical ideas, nor were you able to detect the falsity and implications of that rite. That's not my fault. What was written was a rite involving another human being, without her informed consent. To me that's pretty much the bottom line of it. To me, in my world that's BAD magick, yet again....ymmv."He seems to be working with the "sex magick" style made popular in Chaos Magick books - his object wasn't clearly stated to us (The Oath), his method of raising his energy was what i thought that "hot tantric sex" was about. Of course, I could be mistaken - he hasn't come back to respond.
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Thanks for all your helpful comments. They are so appreciable. lets more clarify the subject.
We started our relationship about 2 years ago and she moved in 2 month after we first met. She left Canada after 20 years of living there for a hope of make a new life here in Iran, in her mother land; and hopefully we live (& I've grown up) in a part of capital with a different view that Veronica traced, away from fanaticism and islamic cultural issues, so in this case cultural taboos which can make any bed cold doesn't take place here.
citylife and busy lifestyle is worldwide phenomena and there's a perisan saying that says "In the city of crazies, craziness is not a crime.". We're both have business lifestyle but not workaholic. I cannot digest the idea of being too tired of work for a long period of time as a good the reason for being cold or neutral in sexual activities, Particularly in 30s.
My mate was participant in the will of "Improving our sexlife" and when I said INTIMACY my point was being the most open and receptive in bed. [Veronica was right.]The lost one which we both suffer from. so the rite was not against her will , and also we had a discussion about venus exaltations and its issues and i told her i'll go for a rite that time and pray for our relationship. So she knew, but not in details. 'cuz she didn't believe in such works and when talked about tantra before she laughed and says "These bullshit breathing technics and meditations can never change anything ."
I agree with the term of better results came if the rite was performed together.
I confess , I always had a dream of my partner involved in my path working but I didn't even suggest her cuz I didn't see her interested yet. Yes, I always has this fantasy and the major one was The Gnostic Mass.She came from 2 divorces: Her ex-husband and their parents. The seed of "TRUST NO MEN" got thick tree and IMO a little more conversation and being supportive together can't make mircales. ('cuz already we are and those work best in everyday except in bed). Believe it or not we've tried most nonmagickal solutions.
Veronica asked 5 questions and all answers was positive. So what a man can do more?
Where does the Will take place? That time I believed that I cannot continue under the slogan of "Accept ur partner as she/he is."
and nothing manifested in assiah without any good briatic idea and a powerful yetziraic plan. so I performed the rite.I took Jim's point in indifferent to the outcome. But the happenings right after the ceremony was undeniable. I didn't even suggest her to came on my path before. and the pressure on her psyche that made her cry was really came out nowhere in first sight. And when yesterday (just days after the rite) she said I wanna know more about A.C. this meant a lot for me.
I knew that may be she wanna try this way just to get more connected to me, not for thirst of spiritual path working.
But… Can't we still say it's magick? -
Flowers take time to open and fully blossom.What more can a man do?
Have patience, and know in your heart
(Anahata where Venus resides in us)
If you tend to her needs,
(the safety, nurturing, trusting)
She will be able to tend to yours.
(Porn star lovemaking, plus sandwiches;)Every single act of intimacy is valuable and sacred.
Wether she has you handcuffed with a riders crop
Or is gazing into your eyes over a cup of coffee.
Each act is hot tantric sex, intimate and powerfulSex makes us extremely vulnerable.
It is this feeling of vunerability that gets in our way
Especially since we are naked when we have sex
So, we tend to try to cover that vunerablness up
With emotional barriers, and physical responses.Just because a woman got into hot sex once,
And let herself be vulnerable, naked and exposed
Does not mean she can or will again.
Unless her partner understands her needs (verbal and non verbal communication)
Responds to her needs,
And knows" I am above you and in you. My ecstasy is in yours. My joy is to see your joy"
Heres another insider tip,
when I look at human
any human
I Can see Divinity incarnate.
Thou art God, Thou art Goddess.
I love my life and all the crazy wonderful beautiful aspects of it.
When I kiss, I am kissing my God/dess
When I stroke and caress....it is the Divine I am touching
My Union, my relationships, my intimacies reside and come from my heart
And my understanding that I Veronica am nothing,
But a messenger.
Love is the Law
That's the message.Of course those are my opinions and experience and Ymmv,
and Los How about this for a fun experiment to prove disprove Spirit......
You find a highly trained Priestess/priest (depending on your mood or orientation)
One time, that priestess (invoked)will focus and intend or behave as if you were God incarnate.(evoked)...In bed
Another time that human (non invoked) will have no focus or intention.( non evoked).....other then to bring you to orgasm.So it would be more simply sex with the participants invoked/evoked,
And sex with out.Do you think that the results (which I will quantify as orgasms and semen) will have any measurable differences?Ie Will the biochemisty of the product be different? will that difference (if detectable) have any life enhancing benefits? Can those benefits be achieved in anyother manner?
Cause that's the type of magick I see as real and important.
Sorry that last bit might be off topic, but I think it is valuable to think about, and no before you ask. I am not gonna play guinea pig.
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@Veronica said
" and Los How about this for a fun experiment to prove disprove Spirit......"
Well, that wouldn't prove or disprove the existence of spirits. It would just demonstrate how fun it is for two (or more?) given people to roleplay as gods or spirits in the sack.
The answer: surprisingly fun.
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Surprisingly
If I Had the ability I would blow a big fat raspberry at you.
I didn't say it would prove disprove Spirits
I said Spirit,
Which is a whole different can of worms IMO.But anyway, if roleplaying like that is surprisingly fun for you.......more power to ya, but I'll still blow that raspberry, and think of A Little Play.
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What's the difference between "Spirit" and "surprisingly fun?"
"The Spirit of the day was joyous and proud!"
Raspberry back atcha
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@Takamba said
"What's the difference between "Spirit" and "surprisingly fun?"
"The Spirit of the day was joyous and proud!"
Raspberry back atcha
youtu.be/jsPyI8SG_eAI wasn't blowing a raspberry at you......
I don't think you have any reason to be exasperated with me.I was expressing my exasperation to Los because he is adept at ignoring my playful attempts to engage him.
Intj here, so thanks but no thanks on the self help critical thinking videos....that's the last thing I need right now. I appreciate your valiant attempts to help me overcome myself.
