The Essence of Thelema
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I don't say it's not a religion. I say it's bigger than a religion. (The religion of Thelema is a subset of the whole cheese ball.)
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@Jim Eshelman said
"I don't say it's not a religion. I say it's bigger than a religion. (The religion of Thelema is a subset of the whole cheese ball.)"
Gotcha. I meant the general "you." I do that a lot and it seems that people misunderstand me sometimes...
Funny though, I was about to edit that and sub "one says" instead...and then I saw your post.
Interesting how that works.
In any event, I agree.
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"And when the brain goes, you go. Hell, a traumatic enough brain injury could radically alter your personality, completely changing your opinions, beliefs, and everything you hold dear."
If we are going to call True Will just a product of our brain, does this mean those with traumatic brain injury have no "True Will"? Or those that undergo brain injury have their "True Wills" altered, and or taken away? Is it then, to you just some meaningless "product" that is subject to your meaningless surroundings and circumstance? If so, why bother trying to "discover it" if one would have to continually redefine it? It seems this "product" would be as illusive as chasing a rainbow. I hardly agree with this idea.
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I think the only essence to Thelema, if one can speak of essence at all, is that one accept the Book of the Law as one's guide in life.
One can do that without subscribing to any particular Thelemic affiliation or organization (A:.A:., O.T.O., Order of Thelema, etc.)
If one does subscribe to any of those particular Thelemic affiliations or organizations, since they are Thelemic, one must first accept the Book of the Law as one's guide in life, and then on top of that there are further obligations one undertakes to fulfil, promises one makes, etc.
For example, with the A:.A:., one is in effect agreeing to contribute towards the the evolution of humankind by (as one might colloquially say) "sorting oneself out"; with the O.T.O., one is agreeing to the fraternal rules of that organization, which again has, as its primary goal, the furthering of human evolution, but by means of social organization more than personal development. (I don't feel qualified to speak about the Order of Thelema, but I'm sure there must be some analogous agreement or obligation there too.)
On the broader issue, I think Jim is absolutely spot on in his addendum to Los' thoughts.
It all depends on what "one" really is, on what the real identity and nature of this thing here is.
But that is for one to explore, using the Book of the Law as one's primary guide, with appeal to the Beast's writings, particularly the other Holy Books, as a secondary guide; and, if one is a member of any of the Orders, with the help of one's superiors in those Orders, as one's tertiary guides.
On an even broader level, one can be a Thelemite au naturel, without even having even come across the Book of the Law, if one's life and doings are in the spirit of that Book. There are probably many, many more "natural" Thelemites in the world than there are "official" Thelemites, although it's probably safe to say that "we" are a tiny minority in absolute terms.
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Recall, the Word of the Law was given unto us by Nuit
She is the one who declared it
Calling, in her Love Chant : "To Me! To Me!" -
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
Love is the law, love under will.The essence of Thelema is the perfect union of Willing and Loving.
To the extent that Love can be completely disorienting and overwhelming, it must be placed under the rule of conscious Willing in order to give it appropriate boundaries, form, and purposeful direction.
The rest is instruction and method toward complete understanding and mastery.
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@Frater 639 said
"I'd like to talk about what people consider the "essence" of Thelema"
I never gave my basic answer to this. Here it is. (It is summarized in the interrelationship of three principles, arising out of a single communication.)
Thelema is a world-view founded on a system of principles articulated in Liber Legis (The Book of the Law).
The Book of the Law is revolutionary. (It seems basic to Thelema that it’s foundation work is revolutionary.) Liber L. announced the dawning of a new era for humanity. The archetype of an eternally birthing child has superseded that of a sacrificed god as the central archetype of transformation. The formula of spiritual awakening is no longer one of death (or death and resurrection), but of **continually new life. **
Three words declare the core principles of Thelema:
- Thelêma, meaning Will
- Agapê, meaning Love
- Tzaba, meaning Star
The Greek Thelema means “will.” It refers to the True Will, the root divine impulse or Truth-of-self inherent to each of us: our experience of ourselves as separate, unique beings having differentiated natures, experience, and purpose.
The Greek Agape means “love.” It refers to our experience that there is no separation between any of us – that all of us are inseverably ONE, part of a single whole. Agape is the complement of the individualizing, differentiating principle called Thelema. Love is unity. In practical spiritual training, Agape refers to passionate love of the Divine as a basis for profound and unconditional human love.
The Hebrew Tzaba means “star.” It expresses the first direct teaching of The Book of the Law, one that comes even earlier than the doctrines of Will and Love: “Every man and every woman is a star.” (From its start, The Book of the Law announces itself as “The unveiling of the company of heaven.”)
These verses portray each of us as spiritual being alive in a universe of unending wonder and choice. This admonition of our stellar natures is arguably the most important revelation in The Book of the Law. It is the basis of Thelema’s chief metaphor for the nature of life and reality, portraying each of us as a burning, brilliant, creative luminary alive in infinite space – infinite room to be ourselves amidst the company of our fellow stars.
We are sovereign, individual, plotting our own course and going our own way. Yet we are not alone: we are part of a universal whole. These enumerated qualities disclose the intimate intertwining of the companion doctrines of Will (passionate individual particularization) and Love (passionate community and connection). We are both unique and universal.
Will, Love, Star: the three core principles of our system.
From these three core principles, many other principles emerge. Most important in these is the intertwining and inherent relationship between the ideas of Will and Love. We are each individual and we exist in the context of each other. (This triangulation – a third principle transcending and integrating two others – is perhaps the fundamental architecture of things Thelemic.) Nature and nurture are not in conflict. Who we are dynamically is determined continually by our intrinsic nature interacting with environment, self in context of the whole.
From these principles, we envision an ideal social system, a society of free men and women consciously committed and empowered to know and do their True Will, recognizing and affirming this right and duty for everyone else. Such a society embraces diversity, recognizing every expression of the universe as necessary.
In such a society’s religion, each experiences himself or herself as one star within an infinite company of stars.
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Amen and Augmn!
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@ldfriend56 said
"Los does not believe that Thelema is a religion, but rather a philosophy (although he warns us that 'too much philosophy can be a dangerous thing)"I settled, over the last year, on the term "world-view." There are problems with both "religion" and "phlosophy." However, the world-view of Thelema can serve as (among other things) either a religion or a philsophy."
Los doesn't have a Thelemic weltenshcauung but a sceptical-atheistic-naturalistic-moral-nihilistic weltenshcauung which he conflates with Thelema.
See also: MAGICK WITHOUT TEARS, Chapter XXXI: Religion–Is Thelema a "New Religion"?
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@Los said
"...Crowley's..."The Scientific Solution to the Problem of Government" reads like the blueprints to use the framework of Thelema to impose a totalitarian horrorshow on the world."
Why would a moral nihilist (like yourself) care if something's totalitarian or not?
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@Jim Eshelman said
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@Frater 639 said
"I'd like to talk about what people consider the "essence" of Thelema"I never gave my basic answer to this. Here it is. (It is summarized in the interrelationship of three principles, arising out of a single communication.)...
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Three words declare the core principles of Thelema:
- Thelêma, meaning Will
- Agapê, meaning Love
- Tzaba, meaning Star
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"Thanks for posting this, Jim. You touched on this at your Thelema as Method lecture -- and I really enjoyed it. Finish your new book already!!!
When I get a second, I'd like to go further with this idea...while using a Nuit, Hadit, RHK analogy...
HAPPY VENUS DAY!
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@Frater 639 said
"Hello All,
I'd like to talk about what people consider the "essence" of Thelema, as it seems to be a topic of interest lately around the forum. "
I had to give this one a shot - it's been on my mind a lot lately as well, since I always find myself coming back to it in my wanderings.
For me, the essence of Thelema is the direct reference to a unified Will pervading and giving form and purpose to all existence. I see this Will best expressed in the concept of the Ratzohn (I defer to FrAAAAAM's explanation here: heruraha.net/viewtopic.php?p=21931#p21931), or the Egyptian concept of Ma'at, which links it with Truth and a beneficial, generative force of Life/Order/Health/Beauty/Goodness. From that True Will, all things derive their individual True Wills, as they exist when not limited by death or disorder/confusion. The expression of this Will goes from formlessness to form, and thus the individual Wills are restricted by time and place, which cause a separation from their origin and a resulting delusion that they are disconnected from the Source. This cannot happen, in reality. The unity of the True Will is a natural law; it can no more be broken than any other natural law. Flight is an expansion of the Law of Gravity, not a violation of it. But to those who don't know the physics of it, it looks like the power of Gravity is shattered. Same with us, in our lives...by Gnosis, we can perceive the greater workings of the Will even though our senses may insist that we are separate from it, due to the uniqueness of our individual place within it. Nothing that is manifest can do anything other than reflect its nature, which flows from this Source. Even complicated humans with our pesky ability to reason, invent, alter and create are in our abilities reflections of the Intelligence that is a component of this True Will. Yet, in knowing ourselves, we can know All. The reflection that traps us also shows us the way to freedom.
All of my religiousness as a Thelemite, and the ethical code produced by it, derives from this central concept. The state of ignorance caused by the sensual entrapment causes movement against the True Will, which results in Suffering ("isfet", to go back to Ancient Egyptian terms), perpetuating the illusion. Two necessary forces in the world (going back to Empedocles) - Love and Strife, and the purpose of the Thelemic path is to make them both Love. In the natural strife which is built into the way the individual Wills resolve their existence in accordance with the True Will, there is no really harm done - even the compost generates life. It's when something is forced too far out of their nature due to ignorance or delusion that serious injury results, and to even the person responsible for it, since everything is actually connected. You always have to remember that in the True Will, the concept of Time as we know it might as well not exist. The rate at which the skin cell lives and dies is different from that of the Sun, but each are completely necessary to life. So I look at it as a guiding philosophical concept, which I personally try to increasing apply to every aspect of my mundane life. (And in this day and age, that's a real fight, hence the need for a warrior's faith.)
In brief (otherwise I'll be here all night, and that's no way to spend a Friday evening!), the Book of the Law - for me - is a modern explanation of this Reality, given at a specific time and place as an aid to realizing Truth. I don't feel charged at all to accept it as the sole revelation of the Law or as something that opposes the perennial Truths expressed in previous revelations (though just like in scientific discovery, it changes the understanding that precedes it when there are assumptions that are in error.) Crowley wasn't the only one having visions or revelations during this period - in my book, our understanding of the nature of Light which led to the quantum age is probably a far more paradigm-shattering manifestation of the change in human understanding going on. But Crowley's legacy does have a very important lesson and correction, for those of us with the karma of being born into this time and place. I'm personally not bound by what has presented itself so far as
"Thelemic religion," as I found it restrictive to my understanding of the Law, but that fact doesn't cancel out how effective Crowley's work has been as a lens by which to see Reality.In Light, Life, Love and Liberty,
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@Sr_MNA said
"I had to give this one a shot - it's been on my mind a lot lately as well, since I always find myself coming back to it in my wanderings. "
93,
What a beautiful shot it was! Thanks for sharing. Hope to see more posts...
93 93/93
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@Avshalom Binyamin said
"So the only purpose in discovering will, to you, is to enjoy life more before you die?"
To paraphrase Crowley, one discovers the True Will because one cannot help but do the True Will, and one therefore ought to figure out how to do it well.
"Also, will in your view of the universe is a misnomer, since it's a side effect of biology, and can be changed fundamentally by random circumstance. Right?"
Wrong.
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@Frater 639 said
"But, by your definition -- if you mean essential, then, of course, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law, etc." is the most important idea of Thelema, as you seem to agree with. But by that definition, a Christian, Buddhist, etc. could be a Thelemite."
Not really. I freely concede that a person could call themselves a Christian Thelemite or a Buddhist Thelemite, and I further concede that a person could redefine those words in ways that make them compatible, but the truth is that those things are incompatible.
"In short, I think the True Will idea is important, but it doesn't say much when studying Thelema as a system or a "practice" -- we'll need to look at practices, if it is to be practiced. Which I'm interested in hearing from you which practices you've found to be essential, as you seem to have a good idea what your True Will is..."
So what you really meant by "The Essence of Thelema" is "The Essence of Thelemic Practice"? If that's what you're driving at, your answer is mindfulness. Mindfulness, willingness to listen, discrimination, and self-discipline.
"You still didn't answer the question of "how is it beneficial to you?""
Discovering one's True Nature allows one to live more authentically, resolving the inner tension produced from inauthentic living.
"Since the core doctrine is "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law, etc.," it implies absolutely that the True Will of an individual can include anything that said True Will "wills" to do -- and they can still call themselves a Thelemite, yes?"
Obviously.
"Going further, a collection of Thelemites can have core beliefs that they agree on, all according to their True Will, which may create a religious system around these beliefs."
Sure. [with the minor quibble that True Will doesn't dictate beliefs...True Will only pertains to action]
"Which, in fact, they have -- it is called Thelema."
Well, no. If they were Thelemites who came together to make a religion, "Thelema" clearly had to predate whatever this religion is that they formed. The religion would be, at best, a religion based around the Law of Thelema. See the OTO as an example: Thelema existed long before Crowley wrote the OTO rituals that comprise their "religious practices," so clearly Thelema cannot be identifiable with those rituals or the religious "teachings" (such as they are) within OTO. Thelema might be expressed through those rituals and teachings, but Thelema cannot be identified with them.
"Your opinion regarding any one else's True Will is your right to have -- in fact, I encourage it -- especially if it is in line with your True Will to have it."
True Will doesn't dictate opinions or thoughts or beliefs: True Will is action.
"However, if Thelema as practice includes finding a person's independent True Will, their True Will could necessarily include NOT just stopping at the individual, or is that too much of a leap in your opinion?"
I have no clue what you're trying to ask here. Rephrase with concrete examples if you want an answer.
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@Los said
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@Avshalom Binyamin said
"So the only purpose in discovering will, to you, is to enjoy life more before you die?"To paraphrase Crowley, one discovers the True Will because one cannot help but do the True Will, and one therefore ought to figure out how to do it well.
"Also, will in your view of the universe is a misnomer, since it's a side effect of biology, and can be changed fundamentally by random circumstance. Right?"
Wrong."
But why should one do ones true will well?
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@Los said
"Not really. I freely concede that a person could call themselves a Christian Thelemite or a Buddhist Thelemite, and I further concede that a person could redefine those words in ways that make them compatible, but the truth is that those things are incompatible."
Please let me know what the truth is.
@Los said
"So what you really meant by "The Essence of Thelema" is "The Essence of Thelemic Practice"? If that's what you're driving at, your answer is mindfulness. Mindfulness, willingness to listen, discrimination, and self-discipline."
So then, mindfulness? Wow.
@Los said
"Discovering one's True Nature allows one to live more authentically, resolving the inner tension produced from inauthentic living. "
You still can't even answer the question. Sad. But maybe non-communication is authentic to you.
@Los said
"Sure. [with the minor quibble that True Will doesn't dictate beliefs...True Will only pertains to action]"
Really? So you're absolutely saying nothing...again.
@Los said
"Well, no. If they were Thelemites who came together to make a religion, "Thelema" clearly had to predate whatever this religion is that they formed. The religion would be, at best, a religion based around the Law of Thelema. See the OTO as an example: Thelema existed long before Crowley wrote the OTO rituals that comprise their "religious practices," so clearly Thelema cannot be identifiable with those rituals or the religious "teachings" (such as they are) within OTO. Thelema might be expressed through those rituals and teachings, but Thelema cannot be identified with them.
"I have no idea what this means. Thelema cannot be identified with people that are following their True Will, regardless of the expression? So weird.
@Los said
"True Will doesn't dictate opinions or thoughts or beliefs: True Will is action."
Opinions and thoughts and beliefs are actions. These can all include aspects of the True Will. Please just don't throw things out there before you think them through. It sounds desperate.
@Los said
"I have no clue what you're trying to ask here. Rephrase with concrete examples if you want an answer.
"I don't expect you to understand. A cooperative seems to be beyond your grasp.
You still have yet to answer any of the questions regarding how Thelema is beneficial to you. You mention "practicing" Thelema, but you can't give me one example of that. Why not?
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@Frater 639 said
" Thanks for sharing. Hope to see more posts..."
And thanks for starting a very-thought provoking thread.
I'm very glad to get drawn back to this board in time for it!LLLL,
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@Los said
" I freely concede that a person could call themselves a Christian Thelemite or a Buddhist Thelemite, and I further concede that a person could redefine those words in ways that make them compatible, but the truth is that those things are incompatible."
But "those words" can only apply to the labels as you define them, which means that any incompatibility is in your viewpoint, not necessarily anyone else's. For that matter, if you go through any modern denomination of a religion and the source texts/teachings it is based on, there will be incompatibilities....that's the nature of the game. Thelema is already showing that it's not exempt from that tendency.
I feel it's more accurate to say that if you go point by point through the tenets of any given religion and Thelema, there will be points of compatibility AND incompatibility. Crowley's articulation of Thelema drew heavily from his experience and regard for many other religions, as much as the shortcomings as he saw them. The points of incompatibility are very specific and instructive, and the points of compatibility are even more important, as they show the hidden doors. The old question again: Why did Crowley choose to modify the "Cloud Upon the Sanctuary" for "An Account of A.'.A.'.", as part of the design for a vehicle to carry the new Word in the world?
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@Los said
" I freely concede that a person could call themselves a Christian Thelemite or a Buddhist Thelemite, and I further concede that a person could redefine those words in ways that make them compatible, but the truth is that those things are incompatible."
But "those words" can only apply to the labels as you define them, which means that any incompatibility is in your viewpoint, not necessarily anyone else's. For that matter, if you go through any modern denomination of a religion and the source texts/teachings it is based on, there will be incompatibilities....that's the nature of the game. Thelema is already showing that it's not exempt from that tendency.
I feel it's more accurate to say that if you go point by point through the tenets of any given religion and Thelema, there will be points of compatibility AND incompatibility. Crowley's articulation of Thelema drew heavily from his experience and regard for many other religions, as much as the shortcomings as he saw them. The points of incompatibility are very specific and instructive, and the points of compatibility are even more important, as they show the hidden doors. The old question again: Why did Crowley choose to modify "The Cloud Upon the Sanctuary" for "An Account of A.'.A.'.", as part of the design for a vehicle to carry the new Word in the world?