Pagan Deities Live In Beriah?
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In Hermetic Qabalah my understanding of the four worlds, and the entities that inhabit them breakdown like this:
Atziluth: Names of God, Level of Nothingness (eternal archetypes)... Example: God say's rest.
Beriah: Archangels and pagan gods, Level of Creation (mental concepts)...Example: Archangels/gods say, I think the boss wants a chair.
Yetzirah: Angels, daemons, jinn, elementals, Level of Formation (astral)...Example: Various spirits get to work on designing chairs
Assiah: Man, animals, plants, minerals, Level of Material (physical realm)...Example: Manifestation of various types of chairs.
**So, my question is are the pagan deities like Suen/Nebo/Ishtar/Shamash/Nergal/Marduk/Ninurta/Ea/Anu equivalent to Gabriel/Raphael/Hanael/Michael/Kamael/Tzadkiel/Zaphkiel/Raziel/Metatron?
By equivalent I don't mean exactly the same, just inhabiting the same world/level.**
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Generally, yes. That is, people relate to them at the same level, rather than as imageless, sensorially abstract Divinity.
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Thanks for the reply Jim.
My follow up question is; would Arch-demons like the seven Kings of Edom who inhabit the kingdoms of unbalanced force be the averse side of Beriah, or would they all be lumped together in the astral (Yetzirah)?
My understanding is that Daath is in (for lack of a better term) Beriah. So the Tzim Tzum takes place beneath the level of Atziluth forming a gateway.
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@MMA_Magus said
"My follow up question is; would Arch-demons like the seven Kings of Edom who inhabit the kingdoms of unbalanced force be the averse side of Beriah, or would they all be lumped together in the astral (Yetzirah)?"
They are Yetziratic, I think. In any case, they were unstable and never reached balanced formation.
OTOH the Four Great Princes of Evil are definitely Briatic - one might say, the archangels of a more primitive human era.
"My understanding is that Daath is in (for lack of a better term) Beriah. So the Tzim Tzum takes place beneath the level of Atziluth forming a gateway."
The entire Tree is in all four worlds.
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Again, thanks for the reply Jim. You're clarifying a lot of questions I have.
But I got 3 more, if you don't mind.
1. Pagan gods have their own agenda, Archangels are considered to serve God. Both are considered Briatic, what's their difference?
2. So the Qlipoth is Yetziric, and the Four Great Princes of Evil are Briatic. I thought they were both unbalanced forces, can you explain their difference? Also were you referring to the Aeon of Isis when you mention archangels of a more primitive human era?
3. If the entire Tree is in all 4 worlds, can you explain the difference and purpose of the 4 Daaths?
Thanks for your time
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@MMA_Magus said
"2. So the Qlipoth is Yetziric, and the Four Great Princes of Evil are Briatic. I thought they were both unbalanced forces, can you explain their difference? Also were you referring to the Aeon of Isis when you mention archangels of a more primitive human era?"
I don't at all consider the 4 GPoE to be unbalanced. They're very balanced. Sublimely balanced.
They may unbalance YOU, but that's another matter.
As for which aeon... I'm not sure. But I think that's about the "when." It fits the particular kind of rewiring of the way mind works. You can see it encoded in the story of Michael wrestling with Satan and defeating him, so that Satan fell and was cast into hell. That was a later age's story wrapped around the event of Michael supplanting Satan as archangel of Fire.
"3. If the entire Tree is in all 4 worlds, can you explain the difference and purpose of the 4 Daaths?"
The mistake I made was answering your question in terms of your reality, thinking that would serve you best. Therefore, I let slide past an imprecision. The better answer would have been to take the position that Da'ath doesn't exist at all. That's an important part of its symbolism: That no such thing as knowledge exists, except in relationship.
But to attempt to answer this last question in terms of your own framework for it: Da'ath is the threshold before the Supernals in each of the Four Worlds.
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@MMA_Magus said
"Thanks, for answering #s 2 & 3.... how about #1
- Pagan gods have their own agenda, Archangels are considered to serve God. Both are considered Briatic, what's their difference?"
I don't accept the premise of the question, so I skipped it.