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[grinning ear to ear; smdh]
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Faust, if you read the whole Dune saga, Bene Gesserit sisterhood has much connection to Binah.
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Very interesting conversation, and all very spot-on, well-put and worded answers. I definitely have some stuff to think about now.
And Danica, if this is so, then might they also have association opposite in the "Lower Supernals", ie. a connection to Hod being Water in the inner temple?
And Thanks, Jim. It sounds like you were ready to answer this line of questioning.
And spice, with deeper experiences definitely leaves one at the gates of the Abyss, if not a little past them. Maybe this is why people report having "child-like" symptoms at higher doses. ie: perceiving lanky, short limbs, big head, on one's self. Also re-living childhood memories. So I can definitely see the bridging of the Abyss by spice. And of course to the idea of a Magister -- spice seems to be a Water Spirit Molecule.
The tree that Confucius sat under.. Acacia Confusca.. check that one out for some interesting reading!
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@ThelemicMage said
"And Danica, if this is so, then might they also have association opposite in the "Lower Supernals", ie. a connection to Hod being Water in the inner temple?"
They certainly had power of control of voice, but I'm not inclined to think of them as Hod at all. I didn't object to the Y'sod comments earlier because that was the field of most of their evident expression and hits a certain subtle note... but, at root, I agree with Danica on both their level and where they stood in the overall society.
"And Thanks, Jim. It sounds like you were ready to answer this line of questioning."
Yes, i.e., I made it up on the spot.
"And spice, with deeper experiences definitely leaves one at the gates of the Abyss if not a little past them. "
Or just Tav. Remember, the main thing that made spice so valuable economically was that it enabled navigation from subspace. It gives the ability to perceive the fabric of the universe from a point of view abstracted to it. That's basically the success of Tav. (It even integrates the worm symbolism.) So nothing close to the Abyss per se.
"Maybe this is why people report having "child-like" symptoms at higher doses. ie: perceiving lanky, short limbs, big head, on one's self. Also re-living childhood memories."
That would be so not the Abyss but, rather, something very low on the Tree, with Y'sod being a particularly pure expression.
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@ThelemicMage said
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And Danica, if this is so, then might they also have association opposite in the "Lower Supernals", ie. a connection to Hod being Water in the inner temple?
"Sure, but it's just one expression of their overall nature & function.
Consider various aspects of their training and abilities in light of other Sephirot below Abyss and you'll find obvious correspondences for each.
Also, it's interesting to see how the sisterhood itself evolves through the relationship with the other, "negative" sisterhood of Honored Matres, which appeared out of "the scattering". These Honored Matres are in essence Bene Gesserit's offspring from the interaction of the sisterhood (via various individual sisters) with the Unknown, the Chaotic (Binah interacting with Chokmah).BTW, my favourite character is king Leto, the God-emperor. He seems like a primarily Chesed-based character: the great architect of humanity's further growth and evolution. And his death, as Herbert depicted it, nicely fits to the self-undoing that an Exempt Adept goes through.
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Aside...
In the mid-'70s, before I was taking magical mottos, I picked Leto as the name of my idealized (perfected) self. Yes, I had him mind.
Note Lamed Heh Teyth Vav = 50 fwiw.
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Now that I think about it, you're very right about that, Jim. Elves wouldn't really abound around the Abyss. They are perceived as elves for a reason I guess, instead of being perceived as flying serpents or wheels. (Though I must mention one famous mushroom experience in the bible of one of a certain old testament prophet having legitimate visions of Auphanim, Seraphim, and Kerubim.
But the mushroom is an expanse of the spice. Like a "group effort" I suppose one could say.
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Well, my conclusion from this discussion: Zelator grade looks really interesting!
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Hey, what about Vader?
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Classic Black Brother. A solid adept who let fear overpower love, and kept ego direct his path deeper into the force but farther from the Jewish path.
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We must sacrifice the Emperor to Azazel!
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I quote Brother Jim Eshelman "A Black Brother is an Adeptus Exemptus 7=4 who resists and pulls back from the Ordeal of the Abyss when it is presented." I rest my case.
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I have a strong suspicious to believe that the user JJ is a "black brother."
The only evidence I have is his smooth yet dominant role on "Good Times".
What should we do?
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Sorry I am late
but Maud'Dib is definitely a Magus"My name is a word that kills"