Hitler and Master Therion
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@Abdulaziz said
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@Mercurius said
"Abdulaziz: we can hang brother. Same wavelength. Heil Hitler!"
SH!--
So, this is the thing I've been looking for that mentioned Hitler (he actually did that countless times, referring also to the Herren Volk concept except he emphasized on the spiritual aspect while the Germans naturally did more on the physical at that time), it's found in his letter called 'Magical Power' in Magick Without Tears:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/crowley/mwt/mwt_64.htmThere's also the curious case of one Soror of the Order who actually believed Hitler to be her magical child, and how Crowley seemed to go along with it in the beginning but had his doubts and criticism of his character later, she's called Martha Küntzel."
@seekinghga said
"You see, this brings up one thing about Crowley the prophet, he would latch himself to pernicious ideals simply to promulgate his own religion."
And, before you try to denigrate what I'm saying, you racist racist, do be aware that your discourse and divulgence will fail. It already has, and it will continue to. Fail. Nazi. Fail. You accuse me of attachment? HAHAHAHAHA! Good one, Nazi. I'm attached to the application of proper labels!
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@Abdulaziz said
"what's so hard to understand or even remotely 'racist' about that?"
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The original inhabitants of the United States are native Americans, not white people. Nazis/racists/Trump and his supporters are pissed that we even talk about the genocide we committed against them, or the treaties we are actively breaking.
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Black people have been in America for as long as white colonists. The nazis in that picture were pissed off because a statue of confederate officer who had fought to preserve slavery was being removed.
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The United States has allowed and continued to allow immigration. We can stop it, or reduce it. However the nazis/racists/Trump and his supporters want to limit it based on--you guessed it--race. The supreme court has struck down his travel bans for this reason.
Bonus round:
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Saudi Arabia had legal slavery until 1962. The law only changed because of outside pressure.
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Saudi Arabia is a tier 3 nation when it comes to human trafficking. This means that though slavery is technically illegal they don't take the minimum actions to stop slavery, and have no plans to. They don't prosecute it, and they punish complainers.
(Maybe you should redirect some of your anger about Israel toward your country, which has many human rights issues. You know, if you really care about human rights issues, and aren't just a Jew-hating nazi)
Conclusion:
Since racists have no problem with knee-jerk shame-bases labeling of people based on their skin color (to quote Takamba, it's just harmless spouting), it follows that they have no problem with knee-jerk shame based labeling of people based on their choice to spout racism.
They don't give people of other races the benefit of the doubt. I see know need to give them the benefit of the doubt and hair-split whether their variety of bigotry is really racist.
It is.
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I understand it's quite hard for most Western white people to overcome all the systematic propaganda and even spiritual enslavement done by the Demiurge of the Jews, which they've been fed with night and day, but for us Arabs it's probably easier as we've been fighting with this monster on physical and spiritual planes for ages, join us with the blessings of Ra-Hoor-Khuit!
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US and all of its constitution as we know it is a freakin' dream and experiment from the Masons of the Enlightenment period hoping to be the New Atlantis, which is obviously failing and rotting from the inside now, with its mistress Israel watching, that's how it has been and will be. I commented on that picture in relation to white nationalists of Europe, I'm quite aware of the American ideals and mission which I'm against. And don't let me get into debate about possible existence of white people (Solutreans?) in the Americas long before the Amerindians who also happen to have certain beliefs and myths about the blue eyed and blond king called Quetzalcoatl, strangely you'll always find this civilization and race in the northern parts of almost every continent.
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Abdulaziz, fyi I've hidden your comments, so if you've replied to me, I won't see it. I imagine it's something pro-nazi, and therefore idiotic.
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@Abdulaziz said
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Do they have to? They're calling for their natural right of having a nation and government made by the original inhabitants of its land, something I call for in my country too. I wouldn't want to see neither whites or any other race invading my country, but we would communicate like any foreign civilized nation with respect to our borders and sovereignty, what's so hard to understand or even remotely 'racist' about that?"The flrst step always has to be close the borders.
Then disempower/remove the foreigners.
That’s where the racism spontaneously develops as a tool for turning public opinion to gain support for the removal - or genocide.
Every time. Everywhere.
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@Avshalom Binyamin said
"Abdulaziz, fyi I've hidden your comments, so if you've replied to me, I won't see it. I imagine it's something pro-nazi, and therefore idiotic."
Very mature, enlightened, and clearly the correct way to learn of the differences and win or lose an argument. Clearly the right thing to do.
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@Takamba said
"seekinghga, I was referring to a specific "nazi" and incident. The lack of justification for the continued existence of Nazi Germany proved itself through history, and I agree with anyone else that it was a good thing. The problem that some don't recognize is that the egoistic world we are born into has to go through the same demands made on the individual during the evolutionary period (a twinkle of a dawning of a new age). There will be hell to pay. The Prophet knew it. Blood blood blood is what he saw. You get it, seekinghga. I get that.
My emotions are clear. I'm not attached to these things, I'm simply pointing things out."
It's not about being attached, it's about understanding the natural laws of the levels you're operating at. Some call it dharma
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@danica said
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@Takamba said
"seekinghga, I was referring to a specific "nazi" and incident. The lack of justification for the continued existence of Nazi Germany proved itself through history, and I agree with anyone else that it was a good thing. The problem that some don't recognize is that the egoistic world we are born into has to go through the same demands made on the individual during the evolutionary period (a twinkle of a dawning of a new age). There will be hell to pay. The Prophet knew it. Blood blood blood is what he saw. You get it, seekinghga. I get that.My emotions are clear. I'm not attached to these things, I'm simply pointing things out."
It's not about being attached, it's about understanding the natural laws of the levels you're operating at. Some call it dharma
See Bhagavad Gita."Exactly, Danica. Thank you! It's about the natural law(s).
Thelema. Karma. Dharma. What goes around comes around.
When I was a child, I was a bastard. Then I put away my childish ways and married a bitch. Does this make me a bad guy?
When I was a child, I was a goodly little boy. Then I put away my childish ways and I became a conformist. Does that make me a good guy?
Life will answer it's own.
When you were new to a thing, you were so different with that thing that in fact you accuse those who are that way of being evil. Does that make you wise?
The above are hints
of what I see
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From Magick Without Tears, Chp 73
"...“Ye are against the people, O my chosen!” says The Book of the Law. (AL II, 25).
Not only does it seem to me [that] the only conceivable way of reconciling this and similar passages with “Every man and every woman is a star" * to assert the sovereignty of the individual, and to deny the right-to-exist to “class-consciousness,” “crowd-psychology,” and so to mob-rule and Lynch-Law, but * also the only practicable plan whereby we may each one of us settle down peaceably to mind his own business, to pursue his True Will, and to accomplish the Great Work.
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@Hermitas said
"From Magick Without Tears, Chp 73
"...“Ye are against the people, O my chosen!” says The Book of the Law. (AL II, 25).
Not only does it seem to me [that] the only conceivable way of reconciling this and similar passages with “Every man and every woman is a star" * to assert the sovereignty of the individual, and to deny the right-to-exist to “class-consciousness,” “crowd-psychology,” and so to mob-rule and Lynch-Law, but * also the only practicable plan whereby we may each one of us settle down peaceably to mind his own business, to pursue his True Will, and to accomplish the Great Work.
hermetic.com/crowley/magick-without-tears/mwt_73
Yes. Assert the sovereignty of the individual, do away with class consciousness (which will also do away with your own consciousness of "classes" to accuse). Resist resistance to individual sovereignty with resistance and you will instead achieve maximum resistance. I say the Law of Thelema and natural law are reconciling each other. To obey the law of Thelema will be to watch the natural law play out and thin the herd.
I will only interfere when it comes an effort to thwart the rights of the sovereign.
sovereign.
Not the slaves.
Let them divide, then we conquer.
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@Hermitas said
"From Magick Without Tears, Chp 73
"...“Ye are against the people, O my chosen!” says The Book of the Law. (AL II, 25).
Not only does it seem to me [that] the only conceivable way of reconciling this and similar passages with “Every man and every woman is a star" * to assert the sovereignty of the individual, and to deny the right-to-exist to “class-consciousness,” “crowd-psychology,” and so to mob-rule and Lynch-Law, but * also the only practicable plan whereby we may each one of us settle down peaceably to mind his own business, to pursue his True Will, and to accomplish the Great Work.
hermetic.com/crowley/magick-without-tears/mwt_73
Thanks for the quote.
@Takamba said
"I will only interfere when it comes an effort to thwart the rights of the sovereign."
"If he be a King, thou canst not hurt him." - what can thwart the core of the Sun?
So with thy all, thou hast no right but to do thy Will-Love
But really, have you read Bhagavad Gita? I am certain you'd appreciate it, if you haven't.
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@danica said
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@Hermitas said
"From Magick Without Tears, Chp 73"...“Ye are against the people, O my chosen!” says The Book of the Law. (AL II, 25).
Not only does it seem to me [that] the only conceivable way of reconciling this and similar passages with “Every man and every woman is a star" * to assert the sovereignty of the individual, and to deny the right-to-exist to “class-consciousness,” “crowd-psychology,” and so to mob-rule and Lynch-Law, but * also the only practicable plan whereby we may each one of us settle down peaceably to mind his own business, to pursue his True Will, and to accomplish the Great Work.
hermetic.com/crowley/magick-without-tears/mwt_73"
"Thanks for the quote.
@Takamba said
"I will only interfere when it comes an effort to thwart the rights of the sovereign."
"If he be a King, thou canst not hurt him." - what can thwart the core of the Sun?
So with thy all, thou hast no right but to do thy Will-Love
But really, have you read Bhagavad Gita? I am certain you'd appreciate it, if you haven't."
My third time reading it was on my wedding night when I introduced it to my wife for her first time reading it. That was decades ago. I've read it four times now. I've never read any commentary on it. That I will do next. I found a book (then lost it, but will find it again) called "The Bhagavad Gita As It Is." I didn't read it. I found it at a garage sale, I carried it around for a day, I showed a few friends, I lost it. The day went to pot. You make me think of it. I should order a copy from an online seller.
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@Takamba said
" I found a book (then lost it, but will find it again) called "The Bhagavad Gita As It Is." I didn't read it. I found it at a garage sale, I carried it around for a day, I showed a few friends, I lost it. "
I personally find this edition not satisfying (too much commentary, and the language of translation does not sit well with me). The simple Penguin one is OK.
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Good thread. 10/10
I find all these young young Hitler apologists quite amusing. It's got to take some intense mental gymnastics to find anything worth admiring in the National Socialist doctrine and their history as it played out in Germany. Hitler was a clever man and willed himself into being one of the most powerful and destructive men in history. But should one admire him and try to emulate him and his policies? Absolutely not.
For fvcks sake--and I'm speaking in general but also to you young Nazi apologists--of all the men to admire in history you have to admire Hitler and present yourself as an adherant of his doctrines, restyling him as a deeply misunderstood savior of his people, a genius tainted by the crooked world and events around him? Your deceiving yourself and sure as not doing yourselves any favors. There's a whole lot of other men for you to look up to who make Hitler look like a sneaky little rat who was only able to force his perverted will on the German people because of his deceptive genius and the nature of the times after World War I.
I have a deep interest in history--especially military history-- and I've spent a good deal of time reading about the Third Reich and Hitler. Trust me, Hitler was a bad dude, the holocaust happened, and there is nothing whatsoever to admire about the Nazis other than their cool uniforms and their military's genius for tactical improvisation on the battlefield.
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@Hermitas said
"Foundational."
"Completely renouncing all desires arising from thoughts of the world, one should restrain the senses from all sides with the mind. Slowly and steadily, with conviction in the intellect, the mind will become fixed in God alone, and will think of nothing else."
An interesting recipe for cooking up a K&C.
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"and I've spent a good deal of time reading about the Third Reich and Hitler."
Read David Irving. You shouldn’t have to ba books and throw people in jail for asking questions. Holohoax is a fabrication but the holodomor isn’t. Read Solznetsyin.
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If you actually ask the questions, you'll arrive at a different conclusion than Irving, who denies even the well-documented fact that Jews were gassed at Auschwitz.
"Documents including blueprints of the killing installations as well as orders for construction materials and Zyklon B (the deadly hydrogen cyanide preparation used for gassings at Auschwitz and Majdanek...carbon monoxide exhaust was used at other camps) survived the war as did some of the actual gassing facilities themselves. Photos clandestinely taken by prisoners of Auschwitz-Birkenau even show the disposal of corpses removed from the gas chamber. The manufacture, distribution and use of the deadly gas was clearly demonstrated at the "Zyklon B Trial" in March 1946, Hamburg, Germany. Two of the defendants, Bruno Tesch and Karl Weinbacher, the owner and a major executive of a company that manufactured the gas were sentenced to death after notes of their trips to Auschwitz disproved their contention that they were unaware that the poison was used to kill inmates.
Jean-Claude Pressac, a one-time skeptic of the gas chambers, had undertaken a careful study of Auschwitz in which he analyzed a wide variety of camp documents, photos, reports and blueprints. Pressac, who had at one time been intrigued by the Holocaust-denying theories of Robert Faurisson, concluded that his original skepticism could no longer be supported in the face of the evidence. In 1989, the Klarsfeld Foundation published his study, Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers, in which Pressac demonstrates the use of the gas chambers of Auschwitz-Birkenau in the murders of hundreds of thousands of people."
[motlc dot wiesenthal dot com/site/pp.asp?c=gvKVLcMVIuG&b=394667]
Jean-Claude Pressac was a French chemist who decided to research the Holocaust in an attempt to disprove it, but when he saw the evidence first-hand, he realized he was a big fat idiot.
"Pressac visited Auschwitz Birkenau ten times between 1979 and 1984, according to registered letter from the Auschwitz Museum director Kazimierz Smoleń, sent on 11 September 1985. Pressac used only authentic documents concerning the construction of crematoria and the gas chambers, which originated from the Nazi German office of Zentral Bauleitung der Waffen SS. Museum staff provided him with assistance, convinced of his honourable intentions.[5] Pressac was given access to blueprints which had survived due to being located in the construction office rather than the administrative offices. The analysis of material proof convinced him that his former views shaped by the Faurisson case were in error."
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@Ab-ul-Az said
"I understand it's quite hard for most Western white people to overcome all the systematic propaganda and even spiritual enslavement done by the Demiurge of the Jews, which they've been fed with night and day, but for us Arabs it's probably easier as we've been fighting with this monster on physical and spiritual planes for ages, join us with the blessings of Ra-Hoor-Khuit!
"I am utterly amazed and grateful for the contributions of Jewish culture throughout the world. What an extraordinary culture. Perhaps modern liberals or wingnuts get confused between the actions of Israel as a political state as opposed to the Jewish culture historically speaking.
I'm a bit miffed that wonderful underground ideas and systems such as Thelema are being opted in by far right wing nuts who are not proud of their race or culture, they are just proud about their anger.
Unless I'm mistaken, 93 means, and always will, unconditional love.
If there is no love in your worldview, I think you're far removed from Thelema at this point.
And unless I'm mistaken, there are hordes of asshole arab and israeli politicians, manipulating their bases to hold on to their power, often by dehumanizing the other side. Funny part is they don't realize they are both on the same side the whole time.