Hitler and Master Therion
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The state of Israel has committed atrocities against the Palestinian people. I think it's racist and awful.
Plenty of thelemites feel the same.
Non-nazis can have a rational conversation about it.
But you're a nazi, Abdulaziz, and the only point of the discussion for you is to make you feel good about the holocaust.
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@Hermitas said
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"Regardless holocaust happened or not; I will still stand with Hitler's cause.
"Well, that just makes you a huge hypocrite based on what you said above.
You hate the Jews for their atrocities. But you’re fine with the attrocities of the Nazis. Because murdering a race is okay as long as it’s not tied to a particular god.
What complere nonsense."
But if you read Mein Kampf, or even listened to the speeches of Hitler himself, he never mentioned aiming for the physical annihilation of Ashkenazi Jewry as much as he only criticized their culture, suspicious behavior and history, there were actually Honorary Aryans of Jewish descent (along other races), and concentration camps included all citizens whether Jewish or not who didn't help the improvement of the country at that critical time.
I will stand with Hitler's cause regardless of the truth about the holocaust because first National Socialism's aim is universal, and second because there's still no evidence that he personally ordered doing the genocide, and finally my own opinion that (IF) it did happen as supposedly ordered by Adolf Eichmann and Heinrich Himmler; then Jews deserved it because of their karmic history of mass killing and manipulating anyone who doesn't vow to their Lord (we see this trait in their Muslim and Christian minions), except they mostly did it with their black sorcery.
Just think for your self, why would a single man erupt so much hate and fear whether during his time or after his death, even though there have been countless other psychopathic figures who did more atrocious things? It's because he simply got the balls enough to fight against the current of Zion and their allies who wanted to dominate the world since the establishment of the Second Temple, if not earlier. Hitler and his people lost a physical war, but they won the spiritual war, you wouldn't have seen a Thelemite supporting them unless because of that.
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@Hermitas said
"Yeah....
I know... Let’s play count the Arabs in this photo.
Let me clue you in to something you may have missed: The resurgence of white-nationalism around the world isn’t because they want to be friends with Arabs.
i63 dot tinypic dot com/6hql5j.jpg
Do they have to? They're calling for their natural right of having a nation and government made by the original inhabitants of its land, something I call for in my country too. I wouldn't want to see neither whites or any other race invading my country, but we would communicate like any foreign civilized nation with respect to our borders and sovereignty, what's so hard to understand or even remotely 'racist' about that?
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@Abdulaziz said
"I wouldn't want to see neither whites or any other race invading my country, but we would communicate like any foreign civilized nation with respect to our borders and sovereignty, what's so hard to understand or even remotely 'racist' about that?"
Yeah... Nazi sympathizer... Nazi. Racist.
@Abdulaziz said
"Regardless holocaust happened or not; I will still stand with Hitler's cause."
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@Mercurius said
"Abdulaziz: we can hang brother. Same wavelength. Heil Hitler!"
SH!--
So, this is the thing I've been looking for that mentioned Hitler (he actually did that countless times, referring also to the Herren Volk concept except he emphasized on the spiritual aspect while the Germans naturally did more on the physical at that time), it's found in his letter called 'Magical Power' in Magick Without Tears:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/crowley/mwt/mwt_64.htmThere's also the curious case of one Soror of the Order who actually believed Hitler to be her magical child, and how Crowley seemed to go along with it in the beginning but had his doubts and criticism of his character later, she's called Martha Küntzel.
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@Abdulaziz said
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@Mercurius said
"Abdulaziz: we can hang brother. Same wavelength. Heil Hitler!"
SH!--
So, this is the thing I've been looking for that mentioned Hitler (he actually did that countless times, referring also to the Herren Volk concept except he emphasized on the spiritual aspect while the Germans naturally did more on the physical at that time), it's found in his letter called 'Magical Power' in Magick Without Tears:
www.bibliotecapleyades.net/crowley/mwt/mwt_64.htmThere's also the curious case of one Soror of the Order who actually believed Hitler to be her magical child, and how Crowley seemed to go along with it in the beginning but had his doubts and criticism of his character later, she's called Martha Küntzel."
@seekinghga said
"You see, this brings up one thing about Crowley the prophet, he would latch himself to pernicious ideals simply to promulgate his own religion."
And, before you try to denigrate what I'm saying, you racist racist, do be aware that your discourse and divulgence will fail. It already has, and it will continue to. Fail. Nazi. Fail. You accuse me of attachment? HAHAHAHAHA! Good one, Nazi. I'm attached to the application of proper labels!
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@Abdulaziz said
"what's so hard to understand or even remotely 'racist' about that?"
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The original inhabitants of the United States are native Americans, not white people. Nazis/racists/Trump and his supporters are pissed that we even talk about the genocide we committed against them, or the treaties we are actively breaking.
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Black people have been in America for as long as white colonists. The nazis in that picture were pissed off because a statue of confederate officer who had fought to preserve slavery was being removed.
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The United States has allowed and continued to allow immigration. We can stop it, or reduce it. However the nazis/racists/Trump and his supporters want to limit it based on--you guessed it--race. The supreme court has struck down his travel bans for this reason.
Bonus round:
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Saudi Arabia had legal slavery until 1962. The law only changed because of outside pressure.
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Saudi Arabia is a tier 3 nation when it comes to human trafficking. This means that though slavery is technically illegal they don't take the minimum actions to stop slavery, and have no plans to. They don't prosecute it, and they punish complainers.
(Maybe you should redirect some of your anger about Israel toward your country, which has many human rights issues. You know, if you really care about human rights issues, and aren't just a Jew-hating nazi)
Conclusion:
Since racists have no problem with knee-jerk shame-bases labeling of people based on their skin color (to quote Takamba, it's just harmless spouting), it follows that they have no problem with knee-jerk shame based labeling of people based on their choice to spout racism.
They don't give people of other races the benefit of the doubt. I see know need to give them the benefit of the doubt and hair-split whether their variety of bigotry is really racist.
It is.
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I understand it's quite hard for most Western white people to overcome all the systematic propaganda and even spiritual enslavement done by the Demiurge of the Jews, which they've been fed with night and day, but for us Arabs it's probably easier as we've been fighting with this monster on physical and spiritual planes for ages, join us with the blessings of Ra-Hoor-Khuit!
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US and all of its constitution as we know it is a freakin' dream and experiment from the Masons of the Enlightenment period hoping to be the New Atlantis, which is obviously failing and rotting from the inside now, with its mistress Israel watching, that's how it has been and will be. I commented on that picture in relation to white nationalists of Europe, I'm quite aware of the American ideals and mission which I'm against. And don't let me get into debate about possible existence of white people (Solutreans?) in the Americas long before the Amerindians who also happen to have certain beliefs and myths about the blue eyed and blond king called Quetzalcoatl, strangely you'll always find this civilization and race in the northern parts of almost every continent.
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Abdulaziz, fyi I've hidden your comments, so if you've replied to me, I won't see it. I imagine it's something pro-nazi, and therefore idiotic.
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@Abdulaziz said
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Do they have to? They're calling for their natural right of having a nation and government made by the original inhabitants of its land, something I call for in my country too. I wouldn't want to see neither whites or any other race invading my country, but we would communicate like any foreign civilized nation with respect to our borders and sovereignty, what's so hard to understand or even remotely 'racist' about that?"The flrst step always has to be close the borders.
Then disempower/remove the foreigners.
That’s where the racism spontaneously develops as a tool for turning public opinion to gain support for the removal - or genocide.
Every time. Everywhere.
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@Avshalom Binyamin said
"Abdulaziz, fyi I've hidden your comments, so if you've replied to me, I won't see it. I imagine it's something pro-nazi, and therefore idiotic."
Very mature, enlightened, and clearly the correct way to learn of the differences and win or lose an argument. Clearly the right thing to do.
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@Takamba said
"seekinghga, I was referring to a specific "nazi" and incident. The lack of justification for the continued existence of Nazi Germany proved itself through history, and I agree with anyone else that it was a good thing. The problem that some don't recognize is that the egoistic world we are born into has to go through the same demands made on the individual during the evolutionary period (a twinkle of a dawning of a new age). There will be hell to pay. The Prophet knew it. Blood blood blood is what he saw. You get it, seekinghga. I get that.
My emotions are clear. I'm not attached to these things, I'm simply pointing things out."
It's not about being attached, it's about understanding the natural laws of the levels you're operating at. Some call it dharma
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@danica said
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@Takamba said
"seekinghga, I was referring to a specific "nazi" and incident. The lack of justification for the continued existence of Nazi Germany proved itself through history, and I agree with anyone else that it was a good thing. The problem that some don't recognize is that the egoistic world we are born into has to go through the same demands made on the individual during the evolutionary period (a twinkle of a dawning of a new age). There will be hell to pay. The Prophet knew it. Blood blood blood is what he saw. You get it, seekinghga. I get that.My emotions are clear. I'm not attached to these things, I'm simply pointing things out."
It's not about being attached, it's about understanding the natural laws of the levels you're operating at. Some call it dharma
See Bhagavad Gita."Exactly, Danica. Thank you! It's about the natural law(s).
Thelema. Karma. Dharma. What goes around comes around.
When I was a child, I was a bastard. Then I put away my childish ways and married a bitch. Does this make me a bad guy?
When I was a child, I was a goodly little boy. Then I put away my childish ways and I became a conformist. Does that make me a good guy?
Life will answer it's own.
When you were new to a thing, you were so different with that thing that in fact you accuse those who are that way of being evil. Does that make you wise?
The above are hints
of what I see
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From Magick Without Tears, Chp 73
"...“Ye are against the people, O my chosen!” says The Book of the Law. (AL II, 25).
Not only does it seem to me [that] the only conceivable way of reconciling this and similar passages with “Every man and every woman is a star" * to assert the sovereignty of the individual, and to deny the right-to-exist to “class-consciousness,” “crowd-psychology,” and so to mob-rule and Lynch-Law, but * also the only practicable plan whereby we may each one of us settle down peaceably to mind his own business, to pursue his True Will, and to accomplish the Great Work.
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@Hermitas said
"From Magick Without Tears, Chp 73
"...“Ye are against the people, O my chosen!” says The Book of the Law. (AL II, 25).
Not only does it seem to me [that] the only conceivable way of reconciling this and similar passages with “Every man and every woman is a star" * to assert the sovereignty of the individual, and to deny the right-to-exist to “class-consciousness,” “crowd-psychology,” and so to mob-rule and Lynch-Law, but * also the only practicable plan whereby we may each one of us settle down peaceably to mind his own business, to pursue his True Will, and to accomplish the Great Work.
hermetic.com/crowley/magick-without-tears/mwt_73
Yes. Assert the sovereignty of the individual, do away with class consciousness (which will also do away with your own consciousness of "classes" to accuse). Resist resistance to individual sovereignty with resistance and you will instead achieve maximum resistance. I say the Law of Thelema and natural law are reconciling each other. To obey the law of Thelema will be to watch the natural law play out and thin the herd.
I will only interfere when it comes an effort to thwart the rights of the sovereign.
sovereign.
Not the slaves.
Let them divide, then we conquer.
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@Hermitas said
"From Magick Without Tears, Chp 73
"...“Ye are against the people, O my chosen!” says The Book of the Law. (AL II, 25).
Not only does it seem to me [that] the only conceivable way of reconciling this and similar passages with “Every man and every woman is a star" * to assert the sovereignty of the individual, and to deny the right-to-exist to “class-consciousness,” “crowd-psychology,” and so to mob-rule and Lynch-Law, but * also the only practicable plan whereby we may each one of us settle down peaceably to mind his own business, to pursue his True Will, and to accomplish the Great Work.
hermetic.com/crowley/magick-without-tears/mwt_73
Thanks for the quote.
@Takamba said
"I will only interfere when it comes an effort to thwart the rights of the sovereign."
"If he be a King, thou canst not hurt him." - what can thwart the core of the Sun?
So with thy all, thou hast no right but to do thy Will-Love
But really, have you read Bhagavad Gita? I am certain you'd appreciate it, if you haven't.
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@danica said
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@Hermitas said
"From Magick Without Tears, Chp 73"...“Ye are against the people, O my chosen!” says The Book of the Law. (AL II, 25).
Not only does it seem to me [that] the only conceivable way of reconciling this and similar passages with “Every man and every woman is a star" * to assert the sovereignty of the individual, and to deny the right-to-exist to “class-consciousness,” “crowd-psychology,” and so to mob-rule and Lynch-Law, but * also the only practicable plan whereby we may each one of us settle down peaceably to mind his own business, to pursue his True Will, and to accomplish the Great Work.
hermetic.com/crowley/magick-without-tears/mwt_73"
"Thanks for the quote.
@Takamba said
"I will only interfere when it comes an effort to thwart the rights of the sovereign."
"If he be a King, thou canst not hurt him." - what can thwart the core of the Sun?
So with thy all, thou hast no right but to do thy Will-Love
But really, have you read Bhagavad Gita? I am certain you'd appreciate it, if you haven't."
My third time reading it was on my wedding night when I introduced it to my wife for her first time reading it. That was decades ago. I've read it four times now. I've never read any commentary on it. That I will do next. I found a book (then lost it, but will find it again) called "The Bhagavad Gita As It Is." I didn't read it. I found it at a garage sale, I carried it around for a day, I showed a few friends, I lost it. The day went to pot. You make me think of it. I should order a copy from an online seller.