Heliocentric view in Qabbalah & Tarot, practice?
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Historically one can see that GD and AA systems Qabbalah Tree of Life & Tarot are geocentric as they include the planet "Moon" out of the 7 planet symbolism but the heliocentric view strikes out the Moon as it is not a planet.
The question is how do you knowing that the heliocentric view is the correct one still can use a geocentric system? As I understand most of the wester magic is made of 12 zodiac signs, 7 planets, 4 or 5 elements. It was all good and nice until we found out a lot more about the universe as there are more than 12 signs and more than 7 planets etc. How do you update the old models or do you separate your psyche in two parts and go back and forward between old and new view? Are there attempts to make the Qabbalah Tree of Life & Tarot heliocentric?
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Personally, I think of it as Takambacentric. The geocentre simply being where I'm standing. Life, as I understand it, is heliocentric, and so for outer realms and other's concerns (the mob, the mass, the eternal), my view is not exact, so I switch to a heliocentric lens when discussing. Fortunately, Uranus and Pluto and Neptune serve as great "lunar" type explanations for things when I'm serving the Crown.
That's how I think on it.
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I think it is just hard to subscribe to a magical system that is tied to a geocentric world view. They say as above so below, the microcosm is like the macrocosm but if the saints and mystics really knew what they are saying they would have told us that we are orbiting the sun and not the sun is orbiting us. Most of the old magical systems I know have a geocentric view and all the practitioners with their practical results could not tell us that we are orbiting the sun. So it feels that the old magical systems don't give that much knowledge and wisdom if they could not figure this out.
So far I understand that I need an up to date magical system, magic like sigil, chaos magic that incorporates what we know about the world today, the facts that are true now but were unknown before. I don't know how do you update the Qabbalah or the Tarot as clearly our society grew up out of the knowledge that the world was created like in the Bible and the social structure is more mixed than it is shown in the Tarot. Today's society like sigil magic created their own new symbols and gods and bibles.
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Mysticism should be Heliocentric
Magick system should be magician centric'nuff said
(ps. Study the ritual of Liber V for your larger cosmological work you are looking for) (test it, taste it, turn it on it's side, flip it around, spin it, see what you get)
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@Takamba said
"Mysticism should be Heliocentric
Magick system should be magician centric
"Thanks for your opinion.
I think as the magician deals with the outside world influencing outside results he clearly needs a heliocentric view to have results on the outside world - clearly the outside world is harder to get control of. The mystic deals usually only with his inner self so he can be self-centric and exercise more easy self control. -
I think a few years of making astrological observations would change your mind.
For instance, the experience of a transiting planet’s retrograde, where it appears (but only from the Earth) to pass a natal point, reverse back over it, and then pass it a third time, would convince you of the valitldity of a magician-centric (geocentric) perspective.
Success is your proof. Do what thou wilt.
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@Modes said
"the outside world is harder to get control of."
"The mystic deals usually only with his inner self"
What's the difference besides approach? Hadit is Nuit to Hadit, afterall.
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Sunsets are a geocentric phenomenon. They're also magic as fuck.
