Is Scrying the Same As Viewing a Magick Eye?

Luce

Thanks for the reply.

So, not sure if you answered this or not, but what I'm asking is this: is the same "eye focus style" that you do to see the magic eye (unfocused, slightly doubled-vision, etc.) the same eye focus style you use when scrying?

I'm not using a magic eye as a metaphor for scrying. I'm asking if the PHYSICAL process is similar (for open-eyed scrying, like staring into a black mirror).

For example, when I've stared into a black mirror, I've never known if I was supposed to let my reflection double, or stare and not let my eyes lose focus, etc.

I can see the magic eye without a problem, but it does take me 30 seconds to a minute sometimes. I want to know if the "aha" moment of a magic eye is similar to that of scrying, because with a magic eye, I know when I have it... So I'm hoping to "train my eyes" to focus in that certain way, and then do that same thing whilst scrying, if that makes sense.

Corvinae

every human being is different.

you want to see something that is hidden.
why?

what is your intent and Will? Are you looking with love in your heart?

You can only see whats not apparent through love.

The key for me was Takamba.

his "presence" made me willing.

he was like that teacher that said, its there if you try and I believed him.

the physical process of what I did biologically to see, that was my metaphor for the carb. it may work for you, but clear vision and clear sences start in the heart. if your heart is not entrained with love then why bother IMO, all you will see is tricks of your sences.
what if you had no eyes to see? or ears to hear?

Corvinae

how many pictures do you see in that magic eye?
there are more then one.

I told my brain to keep looking because there was more there and it found other pictures clear as a bell.

I told my eyes to be willing to see a different pattern.

Luce

Right, I don't deny that all of that is important... But I'm kind of looking for a more physical response. If I asked "how do I change my oil?" it would be quite strange to tell me I need to make sure I have love in my heart first.

Are you saying Takamba helped you see the planet? Because the vast majority of people can see the planet. People who hate everyone can see the planet. Serial killers could see the planet. It's a wholly physical process. There's nothing magic about magic eyes!

I'm not asking about the "inner truth" of scrying, or how to get meaningful information whilst scrying (although those things are certainly important!). I'm looking for help with the wholly physical and physiological aspects of the practice... And I must say, as important as love is, I can see the magic eye without it, heh.

Luce

There is only "one" hidden image. Unless you count the stars and colors and designs as an image... Anything you're seeing beyond that is coming from YOU, not the magic eye, which means why stop at two? You could scry it and get something different each time. But that's not at all the same as the one image that's been encoded into the picture.

Again, there's nothing magical about magic eyes.

Corvinae

There are at least three distinct images encoded in that one picture, I see Saturn, I see Saturn getting all lovey with Venus and a little comet shooting out and I can see a strand of DNA. Is it coming from me and not the programmer? Well I do see lots that people don't intend, doesn't mean its not there, maybe I found an Easter Egg.

I can tell you how to change your oil as well, and I will start by telling you that if you Love your car you should get it changed every 3000, miles or 3 months depending, and you should use a nice synthethic blend if you can afford it, and to make sure that they tighten that plug or it will all leak out.

If you didn't love your car then why would you care to change the oil?

I have never been able to see those silly pictures until I was willing to get out of my limations.
Takamba didn't make me do a thing,
he doesn't interfere with my will.
my love for him and trusting that if he said it was there it was.
he was my Saturn, my teacher, my conditioner.

If you want to see things that are not there you must be willing, and that comes from the heart.

Luce

You're saying by trusting Takamba, you were able to see the magic eye?

Well, I don't trust him and I can still see the magic eye

But, still not sure about what my eyes should be doing while scrying... If anyone has an answer, I'd love to hear it. Should my eyes be crossed? Should I be seeing "double" when I'm staring into a black mirror?

Takamba

Plainly spoken: yes, do whatever with your eyes that works for you in scrying. In fact, in all arts of magick, try and test and adapt to you. Yes. Plainly.

A.O.D.
Beautifully spoken. I bow to you.

Corvinae

mmmhmmm.....
I appreciate your kind words, like always. you know I also appreciate your unkind ones too. I like the nice ones better, but the others ones are what I need.

I should go back and fix all those silly little grammar errors and typos though.....
then it really would be beautifully spoken.

at least the important ones.

Corvinae

@Luce said

"
Are you saying Takamba helped you see the planet? Because the vast majority of people can see the planet. People who hate everyone can see the planet.** Serial killers could see the planet**. It's a wholly physical process.

You're saying by trusting Takamba, you were able to see the magic eye?

Well, I don't trust him and I can still see the magic eye

But, still not sure about what my eyes should be doing while scrying... If anyone has an answer, I'd love to hear it. Should my eyes be crossed? Should I be seeing "double" when I'm staring into a black mirror?"

the vast majority of people who look at that picture do not take the time to look deeper. If you think serial killers do not have Love in their hearts, then you do not know me very well. its the willingness to push past those limits and be open to something new, and that openness comes from feeling safe and loved.

I am saying that when I trust that there is more to see then what is staring me in my face, Ill see it.