College of Thelema: Thelemic Education

Oh, definitely, the hotness or coldness is from the incoming energy. People around when I do divination or Will at meal tend to get hot - that is including me too because of the invoked energies. Or if there's an exchange in sexual energy... Very good, your practice is doing great MaKheru!

93, There are many things secret, even which you demand, that is only secret in word. There's much to be found, with the eyes to see, so to say. That said, I feel there is high importance in the teacher-student relationship, as well as having another experienced to tell you of the pitfalls and dangers. Also these people guide us. It is a part of the path. It doesn't seem very ideal to walk it all alone. Too, we are talking about groups that have been doing there practices for around a hundred years or more. Last, and I'll sit down and shut up, is it seems rather lazy to demand it all be laid out before you, rather than going out and seeking and doing all the work you can and should do. Just a thought. There's plenty to be gained in joining an organization. Hell, I did years on my own before signing an Oath. It's more a matter of when you're ready and when you feel you're mature enough to dedicate yourself to that degree of work and integrity required. Make any sense? 9

@frateruranus said

"No Persephone, that would be incorrect thinking and by that logic all A.'.A.'. claimants are off shoots because all have made some alterations to the system based on new research and experiences as well as advances in science & art. The order has lacked central leadership for decades and in the state it is in now it will probably never get back to a central leadership on the plane of disks."

Frateruranus, of course you are entitled to your opinion and the same goes for me and everyone else here. I agree that alterations will come with advances in physical science and other areas. If a claimant makes changes based on his or her own research or experiences, then soon it would become a different system if these changes were big enough. Are you saying that these claimants are receiving information from higher sources, or based on their own decisions and preferences?
All we know about the various claimants is what is written, unless we were in a sspecifc Order directly. Only then can we decide whether there were major changes made in subtle but important ways that are not published.
If that system is working for a student, only he or she can decide based on answers gotten from the Superior.
In your earlier post you say that "Motta's lineage has their own interpretation of the A.'.A'. and its work that isn't necessarily in congruence with Crowley's version anymore."
This is a major change, in my humble opinion. Persephone

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.